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To: Elmer who wrote (130677)3/22/2001 9:58:35 PM
From: Dan3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
Re: You're wrong about the P4... Give it the same time PPro took and you'll see.

It's time for the Intellabees to at least glance away from fantasy land and face reality.

Pentium Pro provided superb performance on many benchmarks from the day of its release. It didn't need to have synthetic benchmarks created for it, either. It ran existing windows applications that were designed for the original Pentium faster, clock for clock, by a good margin. It did not do as well in windows 3.1, but it was superb on the existing NT operating system and existing applications that had been designed for the original Pentium.

Pentium Pro did well on then existing applications and benchmarks. Pentium Pro was not a wounded duck on virtually the entire X86 code base like P4 is.

eoenabled.com

For example, on Byte magazine's technical applications suite of tests, a Pentium Pro 150 performed 2.2 times as fast as a Pentium 90.

Applications in Bytes suite were "legacy" applications from the existing code base. There was no need to hand code synthetic benchmarks to keep the Pentium Pro from looking bad.

Now compare that to P4...



To: Elmer who wrote (130677)3/23/2001 12:03:27 AM
From: THE WATSONYOUTH  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
You're wrong about the P4. But I don't expect you to realize it yet. Give it the same time PPro took and you'll see.

How much time?.... 6 months?.... A year?? It seems to me that Intel's best hope is to get P4 to .13um ASAP and hope that AMD has problems transitioning to Hammer at .13um on SOI.

Meanwhile, here is an example of what they are saying on Hardware sites. I think it sums up the general feeling of many.

hardwarecentral.com

With Intel splintering their line somewhat and promoting their Pentium 4 as a CPU for the future, AMD seems to be doing quite well producing CPUs for the present.

THE WATSONYOUTH



To: Elmer who wrote (130677)3/23/2001 3:09:24 PM
From: Jim McMannis  Respond to of 186894
 
RE:"You're wrong about the P4. But I don't expect you to realize it yet. Give it the same time PPro took and you'll see"

Well, I wasn't wrong about Rambus, Floppermine and Timna.
Intel eliminated one (Timna), developed the i815 for one (Floppermine) and is doing an end run around the other (Rambus) so at least the Rambus failures of the P4 may get fixed. Like I said, P4 scales pretty well so it will sell but I'm not ready to name it the next P6 like core yet.

Jim