To: The Philosopher who wrote (9839 ) 3/27/2001 12:00:40 PM From: cosmicforce Respond to of 82486 <RE: there are certain questions which the tools of mathematics and science are unable to answer> I would tend to agree. However, with that said, I believe a theory is as good as its predictions and that a theory that unnecessarily invokes God is a poor substitute for one that doesn't (in our universe). The reason? The lack of prediction capability. I think the greater upshot of this is that "who is God him/it/her/them sel(f,ves)" question is beyond the ken of man and therefore any speculations about such entities are necessarily matters beyond proof. The danger is that other things that are deemed transcendent of the requirement of proof can be and have been wrong in the past. It is my prudent policy to not assert theological matters as a) matters of fact, b) things which I have any certain knowledge, and c) areas where one group of people can dominate others with only this "belief". Because theological matters can never be proved, they must be avoided in day-to-day secular matters. I can argue that not a single group or secular activity needs the speculation regarding the existence of God to be successful in secular matters. Crops will grow whether or not someone prays over them. After all, most of us wouldn't want the military to use prayer instead of weapons. You probably own insurance in addition to praying for safety, health and no fires. You wouldn't accept a non-insured drivers' prayers in lieu of accident coverage and so on. I've come away from this analysis, not an atheist, but an agnostic. Any spirituality I have I know is necessarily not transferable and is entirely the matter of personal opinion.