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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (33843)	3/27/2001 8:22:20 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

RE:"Apparently VIA dumped the original Cyrix III core and replaced it with the WinChip 4 design that they acquired from Centaur. But they kept the Cyrix brand name" True but I doubt there was any dipstick left from the Joshua, M2. Via tried to jack up the FPU but the scaling was futile. The Winchip4=samuel=Cyrix III, the Cyrix III was never the old Cyrix chip, just the name. This is one great example of Mhz sells-(TM McMannis) (or didn't sell) and it looks like VIA learned the hard way by buying Cyrix and may yet learn another lesson with the Samuel. I believe it starts at 733 but they never told us "how high". Meanwhile Durons keep moving up in Mhz. COuld get down and dirty with the "ultra low end" Celeron... On the plus side the Cyrix III (aka Samuel) has the smallest die going and could cost >$35 to OEMs. Might even be a candidate for a notebook but it seems Transmeta is about at the same Mhz. Does the Cyrix III have any power management? ? Jim

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (33843)	3/27/2001 11:02:45 PM
From: Joe NYC	Respond to of 275872

T., The first version of Cyrix III was supposedly based on the old Cyrix M2 core, and went through a several name changes, from Jedi to Gobi to Joshua (I think). Basically, the plan was to add a second FPU pipeline, add onchip L2, shrink the chip and hope get higher clock speeds. Apparently, they succeeded at all these goals, but in the process, they ended up with IPC 1/2 of the M2. When Via realized that the Cyrix design chip sucked, they brought in the Winchip core and called it again Cyrix III, and now, I don't know if it is the same iteration or a new one, they just call it C3 (per Mike Magee: 213.219.40.69 Joe