To: Charles Tutt who wrote (56934 ) 3/30/2001 1:46:05 AM From: Thunder Respond to of 74651 Maybe they don't intend to use TCP/IP. Interesting you should bring this up, being the X-Hardcore/Gamer that I was -- at one time... In my action-gaming days not long ago at zone.com , there were no limitations to mention of players setting up IP/TCP games to play 'away' from the Zone, or even scheduling MIRC times for games/tourneys etc., while meeting and gathering there to set them up. The odd thing about it was most Joe-gamer people found it more difficult to set-up IP/TCP games there, not to mention all of the other mostly IP only type gaming sites experiencing the same user difficulty. The Microsoft Gaming Zone was there with the cheese that most rats wanted: Fun and, Ease-of-Use. The mice which hated Microsoft or the "Zone-Lag" (which is easily eliminated by closing the Zone, along with everything else prior to entering a game on the desk top task bar etc) simply set up the IP game, chatted in the lobby, or mentioned to other Zone players about MIRC, LAN happenings. There are also ZoneLan-Direct PlayGames available as well as ZoneLan-IPX, which I've never checked out nor played but, it's there. At the site one can play practically any popular action game (mostly non-MS authors, so Mr. Clinton, Reno, Klein are welcome too <g>)): zone.msn.com In many cases there are free d/l versions of a game to give it a whirl to see if one likes it enough to buy the game. From R6 and Rogue Spear to Outlaws (an old favorite of mine by Lucas Arts). When I first started, I was stuck like a rat with cheese. <g> Also, for just the plain-Janers, there's the basic but, fun stuff as well which is completely free from further purchase, games akin to the old checkers and chess to the new Bejeweled: zone.msn.com Having been a Go2Net Playsite guy initially it was neat but it came to be that there was more variety at the Zone through word of text. Went there and was hooked, somewhat - but I needed the action and ease of use (see above). It was easily found at the Zone - many rats there and, more importantly, once I was there the Game Lobby folks were there to help me with everything, from where to buy the game to latency shown with the "little green bars" shown in the lobby at a action lobby. BTW, the last time I checked, there were over 100,000 players playing/meeting/chatting/whatever... at the Zone, to eat the cheese that tastes good to the majority of Joe-gamers in the early internet days we're in. They just want to eat and have fun. So, what if they don't use IP/TCP (assuming they don't)? Did I care when I played when I did at the Internet Gaming Zone? No. Does my 10 yr. old son care about IP/TCP? Oh sure, my mom and dad, etc. too. The XBox wreaks of a cheese offering to most, with seconds in the offering being only the envisioned who can see beyond their technical eye. Smile, and say XBox! Thunder