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To: Joe NYC who wrote (135597)4/2/2001 6:24:35 PM
From: stribe30  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1584072
 
Another conservative and pro-business fallacy is that anything that takes into account social issues or which puts up certain rules and regulations that companies must follow must automatically be socialist... .

There are lots of democracies out there Joe with progressive social policies... are you going to call all of them socialist just because they dont embrace pure capitalism as you see it in your eyes?



To: Joe NYC who wrote (135597)4/2/2001 6:39:15 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1584072
 
I wonder if your motivation is anti-business or pro-environment, and I always arrive at a conclusion that your motivation is more socialist, anti-business, anti-american than pro-environment. It seem that you are a lot more excited about business making less money than a possible environmental benefit.

Joe,

Just for the record...I am not anti business and pro enviromental. I am pro both. As for Scott, I will let him speak for himself although I have never felt he was anti-American.

Here in the NW, conservation is pretty much a way of life. Most businesses make a strong effort to conserve because usually its good for business. Almost all #1 plastic products are recycled; the same goes for glass, aluminum, paper and cardboard products. There are separate bins for these products not only at home but in public places as well.

There are many examples of conservation throughout the NW. People are encouraged to shop downtown [and leave their car at home]where the bus service is free. A certain number of trees are required with every development since trees clean the air of pollutants. The port is developing an extensive ferry system for commuting. We are developing light rail but are having a painful time of it. Portland is way ahead of us. There's more but I think you get my point.

Generally, cities and towns are fairly prosperous in the NW some better than others. There is a price to be paid for the NW's environmental concerns but in the long run, I think most people benefit. Milo has some concerns re the Metro form of gov't in Portland and you might want get his opinion but I think if someone doesn't like the environmental concerns [and the rain], they leave.

The fear you have that environmental concerns may kill business has some merits. That happens usually when the business is involved in the production of a toxic waste as a by product and/or the participants are not informed. To me, its the difference between having a messy house and a clean one. If you walk in and drop your stuff all over, the house is messed up in no time flat. But if you hang up your clothes right away...its a pain in the butt but things look better. Its the same with conservation...its a hassle but in the long run its worth it. Where willing, most businesses can work through the problems and stay financially viable.

ted