To: Rarebird who wrote (66902 ) 4/3/2001 5:28:49 AM From: d:oug Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116779 Rarebird, As one that read the words of many great thinkers with a task to obtain a glimpse of what the actual thoughts were to generate such words, you must have noticed while doing this to obtain your advanced degree in the science of knowledge, that two different views with a possibility of conflict can originate identical words and sentences on printed paper, and only when one can hear spoken these two different views of two men that say the same words in completely different style and tone that then can one understand the source of the printed text. Your referenced to text by Bill Murphy of GATA directed towards the gold market via an oil situation has none of those levels of complex thoughts that requires addition blocks of information, so based on that I can say that Bill uses words in their most simple forms and what you see is very close to what he thought. Now there is a caveat here, as yes simple thoughts from a simple man can be transfered to others directly using simple words, this process allows in its design no fail/safe mechanism to prevent or make difficult the receiving person to replace original sent message with that of a wanted to receive message of their own. The flip side of babble like mine where the receiver has near zero ability to replace my message with one to fit their agenda, since upfront they have no mucking idea what the bell i am saying, is when a simple Bill writes simple stuff and makes it easy. "Those who control the means of production always rule, especially if the product or commodity is in great demand." Using these same words of yours can undo your thoughts, as "Those who control..." are in some cases not those who own the land and/or rights to the resources, as in this case for Middle East oil, control is exercised to a degree by threat or fear of the usa, so "always rule" is only true if it incorporates with the who controls the actual product, but also includes the what of controls external to and affecting the who. Sorry, just too many words here. My guess is that Bill sees those that corrupt not like being corrupted by others that corrupt, so hay4horses lets get on BandWagon and reap some hay4horses while the sun shines. *OT* Nosmo: The essence of every religious faith consists in its giving life a meaning which Death does not destroy. Rarebird make hay when the rain falls "Hey, its raining." Since i have no religion, my following words to remark on the following causes me no concern or worry etc. "... giving life a meaning which Death does not destroy." Seems that all religious believers understand the above not to include the possibility that the meaning of a person's life after their death may be realized without a continuation in any form of the dead peson. ak