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To: semiconeng who wrote (131535)	4/3/2001 2:00:05 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Semi - Re: "AMD should well know, since they "copied" Motorola's Copper Process. " Blow Hard Dan has no use for facts. If they put AMD in a bad light, they are ignored. Maybe Blow Hard Dan can update us on those SMP AthWiper Servers with DDR memory that he promised us for last August, 2000 !! Or - Blow Hard Dan also told us all that AMD was in production of their 0.13 micron process last December, 2000 !! {=================================} To: Duke of URL who wrote (119102) From: Dan3 Friday, Nov 24, 2000 9:35 AM ET Reply # 119105 of 119199 AMD .13 production to start next month AMD Dresden ships two million Athlons By: Drew Cullen Posted: 24/11/2000 at 10:03 GMT Today, we take a break from producing the Pentium What4 Times, to recall our other favourite CPU maker: AMD. The company said yesterday that cumulative shipments of Athlon chips made at Fab 30 in Germany have hit the two million mark. In September, AMD had shipped only one million units. The company aims to start operating it 0.13 micron production line in December, with the aim of getting chips onto the street in the New Year (1.33GHz anyone?). There's plenty of room for manufacturing growth still - and, judging from AMD's recent sales results, it doesn't need to search quite so frantically to find another company, such as Motorola, to fund expansion. Currently only 30 per cent of the floor space at Fab 30 is utilised. Today it has a manufacturing capability equivalent to 5000 wafers a week of 200mm wafers. AMD is targeting a utilisation rate of 50 per cent by the end of this year. Jim Doran, who runs AMD's German manufacturing operations, said the company's two factories (there's also a fab in Austin, Texas) would fully meet demand in 2003. While "taking aim at achieving a 30 per cent share in the x86 processor market", AsiaBiztech reports (it comes to a pretty pass when you have to read a Japanese site to find out what AMD is up to in Germany). ® theregister.co.uk {==================================} To: Joseph Pareti who wrote (119106) From: Dan3 Friday, Nov 24, 2000 9:56 AM ET Reply # 119108 of 119137 Re: Is this the latest, Jerry-style, joke? The ASM tools used by AMD achieve .13 using 243nm lasers - which AMD has been installing at Dresden from the beginning. And AMD has a full year of production experience using copper interconnects. Moving from .18 to .13 on AMD's tools requires only new reticules (and masks). Intel's process for .13 requires 193 nm tools that are only now being shipped to Intel. It also requires a shift to copper interconnects with which Intel has zero production experience. Remember that it takes about a half year between shipment of the tools and the beginning of production runs. Then it's 2 to 3 more months before product is available for sale. Add to that delay the fact that IBM, Motorola, and AMD all had 6 month to 1 year delays when they moved from aluminum interconnects to copper. The Athlon core is half the size of the P4 core. At .13 AMD gets twice the output per cm2 as Intel gets from its .18 process. That means AMD's Dresden FAB could produce up to 4 times as many Athlons in one FAB as Intel can produce P4s in 4 FABs. Dan

To: semiconeng who wrote (131535)	4/4/2001 10:02:43 PM
From: fyodor_	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Semi: AMD should well know, since they "copied" Motorola's Copper Process. All they had to do was implement it, and look how long it took them, from Q2/99 (first silicon) until April 2000 (samples), looks like 12 months, vs Intel on the other hand, who did not copy Motorola, developed their own Cu Process, and went from first silicon, to production in 5 months. It SHOULD have been easier for AMD, but it looks like it wasn't. Needless to say, you are fudging the issue "a tad" ;-). It wasn't solely Moto's process, AMD did play a part in developing it (although, from what I understand, not anything near "half"). MOTO itself hasn't shipped a single chip on "their" .18mu copper process yet. (or maybe they just started? regardless, certainly much later than AMD). -fyo