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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (10256)	4/3/2001 4:20:58 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

I don't like it PESONALLY. How can you not get this through your head? There is a difference between what I personally don't like (genocide, slavery) and the concept of ABSOLUTE rights and wrongs- by which I mean an objective basis for declaring things absolutely wrong or right. If you don't get it, you don't get it. But don't tell me I say what I don't say. I don't have a problem with slavery in a SOCIETY THAT WANTS IT- meaning I wouldn't go to war with another country over it, as I feel that would be an imposition of my values upon them- and if the case were reversed I do not like the idea of other countries declaring war on my country for reasons related to values, which differ greatly. I do not consider ANYTHING to be absolutely wrong because I do not believe in absolutes. Or God. Or Pink Space Bunnies. But I began to suspect this whole concept is beyond your ken.

To: Greg or e who wrote (10256)	4/3/2001 5:56:58 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 82486

There are three ways that you might demure from declaring something absolutely wrong: one, because although it is probably wrong, you are aware that it is possible to be mistaken; two, because it is wrong in most but not all circumstances; three, because it is not (even probably) wrong in itself, but only by a fundamentally arbitrary repulsion that one has, and shares with some others. The first two preserve the idea of an objective standard one can aspire to meeting. The last asserts that it is either completely personal, or completely undecidable objectively, which amounts to much the same thing. The last is the view which can be characterized as nihilistic.......