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To: waverider who wrote (96749)	4/3/2001 11:06:15 PM
From: mightylakers	Respond to of 152472

Rick, There is no way an EP-3 pilot would or could try such a radical course adjustment. Do you know the speed at which these planes travel compared to an F-8? I have no experience of a pilot. But I have read that in some of the previous encounters, planes got as close as 20 feet away. Now with that kind of margin of error, even as slow as 600 miles per hour seems to be posing a very high risk.

To: waverider who wrote (96749)	4/4/2001 2:48:19 AM
From: Uncle Frank	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 152472

Negotiations seem to be going well. Civilized finger pointing and jockeying for position. dailynews.yahoo.com Tuesday April 3 10:35 PM ET US Officials Visit Crew in China By MARTIN FACKLER, Associated Press Writer HAIKOU, China (AP) - China allowed American diplomats to meet the crew of a U.S. spy plane Tuesday for the first time since the plane landed on Chinese soil after a collision with a Chinese fighter jet, but there was no sign when they would be allowed to return home. China blamed the United States for the collision and demanded an apology. President Jiang Zemin (news - web sites) demanded that the United States stop surveillance flights off China's coast. It was too early Wednesday morning for Chinese officials to react to a warning from President Bush (news - web sites). The U.S. leader said that any further delay in returning the 24 crew members or the plane itself - full of high-tech equipment that U.S. officials fear China has now examined - could possibly damage already unsettled China-U.S. relations. ``This accident has the potential of undermining our hopes for a fruitful and productive relationship between our two countries,'' Bush said in Washington. ``To keep that from happening, our servicemen and women need to come home.'' China's government-run Xinhua news agency released pictures of the damaged Navy EP-3E at an air base on the southern island of Hainan. The pictures showed the plane's leftmost propellor broken and tears on the underside of its left wing. ``The entire crew is in good health,'' said Army Brig. Gen. Neal Sealock, the U.S. Embassy defense attache, one of two diplomats who visited the crew members. ``They are being well taken care of.'' He added, ``Our goal is to get them home as soon as possible.'' The Chinese laid down ground rules for the meeting, but the diplomats - with Chinese officials in attendance - were allowed to discuss the crew members' health, the operations during the emergency landing and standard procedures taken to protect intellignence, a senior U.S. official in Washington said on condition of anonymity. As a result of the talks, the Bush administration believes the crew managed to destroy some of the intelligence information on the plane, the official said. <WELL DONE!> A Chinese Foreign Ministry (news - web sites) spokesman, Zhu Bangzao, said China's decision to allow the meeting showed its ``humanitarianism'' and desire ``to handle this case properly.'' Earlier, he said the crew's fate would be decided in light of a Chinese investigation. Asked when the crew would be released, Zhu replied: ``I don't know.'' ``The U.S. should face the facts squarely, shoulder responsibility and apologize to the Chinese side instead of seeking excuses for itself,'' Zhu said in an earlier press conference. In Washington, a U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it appeared Beijing would insist on an official U.S. government apology before allowing the crew to leave China. But no Chinese official has made any such promise publicly. President Jiang Zemin said the EP-3E violated international law and intruded into Chinese airspace. ``The responsibility fully lies with the American side'' for the collision, Jiang said, according to Zhu. ``We have full evidence for that.'' Jiang called for an end to U.S. surveillance flights off China's coast ``so as to prevent similar accidents from happening again,'' Zhu said. Xinhua said the United States should cooperate with China in investigating the incident and compensate `China's loss of life and property.'' China said its fighter pilot, Wang Wei, parachuted out after the collision and was still missing Tuesday, despite a massive search. U.S. officials say China did not respond to an offer to help search for its missing pilot. The meeting with the crew took place somewhere in or near Haikou, the capital of Hainan, a tropical island about the size of Maryland off China's southern coast. The collision occurred about 60 miles southeast of Hainan, a popular tourist destination 400 miles west of Hong Kong. Zhu did not respond directly to questions about whether Chinese officials have boarded the plane. But he dismissed U.S. assertions that the plane was sovereign American territory and could not be entered without permission. ``If this plane is sovereign American territory, how did it land in China?'' Zhu said. China ``has the right to investigate the whole incident as well as the plane that caused it,'' Zhu said. U.S. military officials say the Chinese undoubtedly boarded the plane and examined its sophisticated equipment. ``We have every reason to think the Chinese have been all over the airplane,'' U.S. Ambassador Joseph Prueher said on ABC's ``Good Morning America.'' The U.S. military says the EP-3E was on a routine surveillance mission in international air space. Zhu said the plane ``made a sudden and big movement,'' hit the Chinese fighter. U.S. military authorities say it was more likely that the faster, lighter Chinese plane brushed against the lumbering EP-3E, which is about the size of a 150-seater commercial jetliner. The collision injects extra tension into relations between the United States and China, which have ultibillion-dollar trade ties but often feel mistrust toward each other. Wall Street saw a large sell-off Tuesday, with the Dow down nearly 350 points, in part because of nervousness over China. In China, the incident threatened to stoke anti-American feelings that linger after the 1999 NATO (news - web sites) bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Yugoslavia. In the United States, the incident could heighten perceptions of China as a growing threat. However, Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) said Tuesday that it would not influence a decision on which weapons Washington will sell to Taiwan, an island that China claims as renegade territory. The escalating dispute also affected U.S. stocks Tuesday with the Dow Jones industrials falling 292.22 points, or 3 percent. Analysts blamed the decline on the dispute and worries over company earnings.