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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (10408)	4/4/2001 4:44:36 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I don't think any religion ever claimed God was intelligent, just powerful. As far as evolution being a self-contained process not even modern evolutionary science claims that. Evolution is contingent upon the slightest push of external forces, such as climate, altitude etc... Either way, God or no God, revel in the miracle that is your life and let the funeral procession of science and religion affect it not.

To: epicure who wrote (10408)	4/4/2001 5:08:14 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

The process of evolution remains one of immense improbability. It merely asserts that even the extremely improbable, not being impossible, can occur. Just the right mutations, in just the right sequence, had to occur to get the nervous system, the cardiovascular system, and so forth. Also, there had to be a degree of ecological coordination, especially surrounding cataclysmic events like the Ice Age. It still looks more like something intentionally brought about, albeit in a roundabout way, then like a series of accidents. However, it is true that what is is, and what is inherently improbable could be, which is why the argument from design is not conclusive. As for the Creator, what could one say on the basis of the design argument? Well, first, that He would have to be eternally self- subsistent, in order to avoid the problem of regression. Second, that He is incomprehensibly greater than the universe. Third, that He, being eternally self- subsistent, would require nothing to sustain Him, and therefore could not suffer exhaustion and ultimate death. Fourth, that that He is one, and outside of the material universe, and outside of time and space, which appear to be properties of the universe. Whether he is identifiable with a particular religious version must be left up in the air. As for Ex Nihilo versus Emanations, well, that would take more speculation.