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To: Joseph Beltran who wrote (45120)	4/5/2001 1:41:52 PM
From: Math Junkie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

OT I have heard that the crew would not have been likely to survive in the water due to sharks and water temperatures.

To: Joseph Beltran who wrote (45120)	4/5/2001 2:08:25 PM
From: mitch-c	Respond to of 70976

More OT - China BTW, the more I think about it, the more i believe that it was a bad, bad judgment call on the part of the P-3 pilot to agree to land in Chinese territory. He could have ditched the plane and everyone could have been rescued. He must have known this was going to create an international incident. In any event, I realize this is monday morning quaterbacking and not very fruitful. I hope we get our people back pronto. Keep in mind that the aircraft maintained a real-time conversation with its headquarters until a boarder stuck a rifle in the pilot's face. I'm convinced (though without evidence) the pilot was ORDERED to land and surrender, and that the ditching option was discussed. There was certainly enough time to erase the relevant software. I'd have preferred the happy medium - land, but pull the thermite grenade pins before exiting. Leave a slowly cooling puddle of aluminum slag on the runway. An aviator I just talked to at lunch wants the pilot court-martialed upon his return for NOT ditching. Quote from him (a Naval officer) - "They're in the NAVY, dammit! They're equipped and trained to survive EXACTLY those conditions!" - Mitch

To: Joseph Beltran who wrote (45120)	4/5/2001 2:29:45 PM
From: Alan Gallaspy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

OT Planes landing on water. I heard some place that the flaps of the plane were damaged thus preventing slow enough flying to ditch in the water. I would imagine getting out of a plane in the water is tough under any circumstances, much less after smacking in at about 100 mph. I once saw a 4 seater Cessna pontoon plane flip over taking off, and if there had not been a boat getting to them within about 2 minutes two people would have drowned, they were in no shape to get themselves out. Has anyone had occasion to abandon plane after ditching who can shed some light of the survivability of such incidents? How does the # of exits in a EP-3 divided by 24 times average per person exit time compare to how long does an EP-3 float? I know they are all trained in emergency procedures, but likely some of those sailors would have drowned.