To: Hawkmoon who wrote (2838 ) 4/5/2001 10:05:11 PM From: TobagoJack Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559 Hi Ron, <<Thanks for your responses Jay on your day off...>> I enjoy posting more than I care to admit. <<I wouldn't refer to Chinese military personnel as spies>> CNN said it first. <<had one of their surveillance planes declared an emergency and landed at a US base>> There first has to be a fatal traffic accident, and China must be in process to sell Purto Rico independence movement a bunch of AK47s. <<offer the plane crew asylum>> How many of these guys would the US want? The boats are ready to go. Mao asked Stalin once, and Deng asked Carter once. No encouraging answers were received. The formulae of encouraging Chinese emigration along the lines of Russian Jewish emigration is not wise, as Panama is already 10% Chinese, and its ports are run by Chinese, all recent arrivals, blocked on their way to California by US capture of its nutsy leader against all what hopefully are international norms. Like I said, in the affairs of the state, there are no rights, no wrongs, only is. <<that NO plane or boat will be safe if they continue to follow this mindset>> This part of the message is apparently getting through to both sides, and so tag protocol will be worked out. <<It just seems to me that the Chinese government reaction has been extremely short-sighted, mis-guided, inflammatory, and extremely amateurish>> The US will learn to say "I am sorry", because its military are involved in too many accidents around the world, from Italy to Iran, from Okinawa to Hawaii, from Hainan to Vietnam. This is the case of 'just is'. <<vulnerability to embarrassment by trying to force the US to "apologize">> Look at it from their perspective ... there is no downside, because the US will do what the US will do. Such is the leverage lost when W made his campaign promises on Taiwan. <<the tapes of the transmissions from that intercept>> I honestly do not think a sliver of tape or a bit of tissue sample concerns the Chinese leadership or any leadership to the same extent that you or I would be concerned. Ask Clinton. <<they did with the KAL 007 shootdown by the Soviets back in the early '80s>> What about the Iranian jet liner over the Gulf? See, again, no rights, no wrongs, only is. Face is actually important to both sides, and they seem to be meandering along the path to a face saving solution. <<the strategy the US is advancing in these negotiations>> Doubt it, because no one cares what the truth is, only that the crew gets back safely (China wants them out before anything happens to any one, like appendix inflamation or some such imopportune illness, and the US wants them back because), and that understandings exchanged. Chugs, Jay