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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (2915)	4/6/2001 8:03:29 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Ron, I am rushed for time as plane is waiting ... and so clipped responses. <<does that mean that any Cuban military vessel or plane that transits the US 200 mile economic zone is "hostile"?>> Do not know, depends on whether they bombed your embassy or not. <<How about the fact that the Russians still have an extensive listening and collection operation located in Cuba listening to every communication we send out?>> No rights, wrongs, just is. <<Does that mean that Taiwan, since it falls within China's 200 mile economic zone really belongs to China? Would that apply to N. Korea as well?>> That is not how the 200 mi is measured, but in the case of Taiwan, yes. <<And since China claims the Spratly Islands, will they extend that economic zone from there as well and claim to be able to control all traffic that flows between there and China?>> Be responsible for guarding the sea lanes for intl shipping would probably be the correct description. Remember, China did not make the rules. <<Again, Jay... China is suddenly making up rules to justify their claim as well, DESPITE the long established protocols that denote national sovereignty being limited to 12 miles>> China did not make the rules. <<To permit China to extend their soverign borders to 200 in distance would set a terrible and very dangerous precedent, and tremendous conflicts between nations that overlap each others EZs...>> That is not how the 200 mi is measure. But, I have no strong opinions one way or another with how the miles are determined, or what rules are enforced. None of it matters, because that is not where the crux of the matter is. <<And it would provide China justification to attack any military ship that traveled through the Taiwan Straits>> Has China done this? This is what I am talking about when I say there are fixed mindsets on both sides taking us into where we ought not to go. <<12 miles has been the long-established soveriegn boundaries for nations, not 200 miles>> Established by major sea faring nations who coincidentally are former imperialists. But, like I said, these matters are not important, because the crux of the matters are not resolved even if these matters are. <<Furthermore, if China can claim full economic control over that 200 mile portion of the air and sea, they can theoretically assert territorial control over all traffic that passes through>> No, traffic is traffic, lane is lane. <<This is why the US must stand by the 12 mile borders, and not cave in to the 200 mile limit>> That is one point of view, and again, I do not care one way or another about it, and have made no reference to it in any of my posts. <<I don't have a problem with the Chinese flying within 12 miles of the US with their spy planes>> They haven't, don't, and won't for a long time to come. But what about restealing nuclear secrets from the Taiwanese who stole it off you? No right, wrongs, just is. Chugs, Jay