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To: JohnG who wrote (97106)4/7/2001 6:09:45 PM
From: Kenneth V. McNutt  Respond to of 152472
 
<<On TV today. Stated that China is claiming as it's territory, hundreds of tiny islands in the South China Sea and then claiming to control a 200 mile economic zone around each of these islands as it establishes military installations on many of these islands.>>

John G...Those are the Sprately's. Out in the middle of nowhere. China has used 'gunboat' diplomacy over these islands for years as they belive they contain possible oil deposits They are mostly little bumps sticking out of the water although some are large enough to inhabit. Seems I read the Chinese and the Filipinos have had some battles there with the Chinese, with superior gunships, winning the battles.
Ken

<<In 1863-1879 a British subject, Captain James George Meads explored the South China Sea in his
ship the "Modeste." He laid claim to the Spratleys and the Paracels. Later he transferred ownership
to a relative, Franklin M. Meads who helped organize the Kingdom of Humanity. It was proclaimed
in April 1914 by Franklin Meads in conjunction with Victor L. and Charles G. Anderson, William
Chaplin, Willis Alva Ryant, Paul Williard and Walter Hutchinson. Meads took the title of Chief of
State and they renamed the South China Sea the Humanity Sea to discourage the Chinese claims.
Section 9 of Article IX of the constitution states

The Flag of the Kingdom of Humanity shall be Green, White and Black, in any
combination of equal proportion, green for life and white and black for the two sides of
every matter -- except the principles and ideals of this Constitution which are
symbolized by the green of life upon which this Constitution is founded. >>



To: JohnG who wrote (97106)4/8/2001 2:59:27 AM
From: Jon Koplik  Respond to of 152472
 
Re : China stuff -- AP News chronological "re-hash" of events :

April 7, 2001

Chronology of Spy Plane Crash

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 3:40 p.m. ET

A chronology of the spy plane crash and diplomatic maneuvering that has resulted in the
current standoff between the United States and China.

Before the crash that happened a week ago:

-- A U.S. Navy EP-3E surveillance plane with a 21-man, 3-woman crew takes off from
Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, Japan. The plane is part of an electronic reconnaissance
squadron whose home base is Whidbey Island Naval Air Station in Washington state.

Sunday, April 1 (late Saturday night, East Coast time):

-- The plane collides with a Chinese fighter jet sent to intercept it over the South China
Sea. The collision occurs about 80 miles southeast of Hainan, well outside the 12-mile
territorial sea and airspace.

-- The plane makes an emergency landing at a military airfield on the southern end of the
Chinese island of Hainan.

-- Chinese officials assure the United States the plane's 24 crew members are safe, but
the Chinese fighter has crashed and its pilot is missing.

The American crew includes 22 Navy personnel and one each from the Air Force and
the Marines.

-- China quickly blames the U.S. aircraft for the collision.

-- Adm. Dennis Blair, commander in chief of the U.S. Pacific Command, blames the
collision on a ``pattern of increasingly unsafe behavior'' by China's military.

``It's not a normal practice to play bumper cars in the air,'' he says.

Monday, April 2:

-- A group of U.S. diplomats leave for Hainan to try to meet with the plane's crew.

-- President Bush calls on the Chinese government to let U.S. embassy officials see the
crew and to release the aircraft.

Failure to do so ``is inconsistent with standard diplomatic practice'' and he is ``troubled
by the lack of a timely Chinese response'' to U.S. request for access to the crew.

Tuesday, April 3:

-- President Bush says China has been given time to ``do the right thing'' and must release
the American servicemen and return the reconnaissance plane without further delay.

-- For the first time since the emergency landing Sunday, U.S. diplomatic representatives
meet with the American crew members and report them to be in good health, although
Chinese officials refuse to allow the diplomats to meet with the servicemen alone.

-- Secretary of State Colin Powell says the 24 crew members are in Chinese ``detention,''
and that the United States has nothing to apologize for.

Wednesday, April 4:

-- Chinese president Jiang Zemin makes his first public comments about the accident,
demanding an apology from the United States.

-- The Bush administration offers regrets but no apology. ``We regret the loss of life of
that Chinese pilot but now we need to move on,'' Secretary of State Colin Powell says.

-- U.S. diplomats request to see the crew again and to meet with Chinese officials, but
receive no response. They leave clothes and toiletries for the crew to Chinese officials.

Thursday, April 5:

-- Talks continue throughout the night (day in China.)

-- In Beijing, armed police detain several Chinese protesters outside the U.S. Embassy.

-- China says the American crew broke international law and will remain in China for
questioning. It again demands a full U.S. apology.

-- U.S. diplomats hand over books, magazines and snacks for the crew to Chinese
officials.

-- The missing pilot is identified as Wang Wei. Reports surface that U.S. military officials
had previously complained about Wang's aggresive flying.

-- In Beijing, Foreign Ministry spokesman Sun Yuxi raises the possibility U.S. diplomats
will not be allowed to see the crew again until the American government apologizes for
the incident.

Friday, April 6:

-- American representatives are able to see the crew for a second time, after a nearly
six-hour delay in the meeting's scheduled start time.

-- Secretary of State Powell reports that the crew is in ``good health'' and ``high spirits''
and that embassy representatives may be able to start meeting with them regularly.

-- U.S. and Chinese officials begin review of draft of a letter intended to end the
stalemate. It would express regrets for the loss of life and allow the two sides to
exchange views on the collision.

Saturday, April 7

-- Chinese top foreign affairs official sends a letter to Secretary of State Powell that says
statements of regret are inadequate and an apology is required.

-- Bush administration official says their ``position is unchanged'' when asked if an
apology is planned.

-- U.S. diplomats allowed to visit with crew members for a third time, say crew
members' spirits high and they appreciate e-mail they've received from home.

Copyright 2001 The Associated Press



To: JohnG who wrote (97106)4/8/2001 4:03:18 AM
From: Jon Koplik  Respond to of 152472
 
Another (interesting) AP News China story.

April 7, 2001

China Planes Dogged Spy Flights

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 2:05 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- It had become a ritual over the South China Sea: The Americans
lumbering along in their jalopy of the sky, the Chinese dogging them in their speedy
fighter jets.

Then the crunch and spray of shredded metal turned a risky exercise into a deadly one
for a Chinese pilot.

And President Bush, on his 71st day running the White House, was handed his first
entanglement with a power he calls America's ``strategic competitor.'' It is a nation that
may have come into a windfall of U.S. intelligence when the crippled Navy plane came
out of the sky.

------

Under a blazing tropical sun, pilot Wang Wei hurtled toward the choppy waters on April
1 after his jet's collision with the Navy EP-3E, an outwardly rudimentary propellor plane
packed with surveillance technology.

A familiar pest to U.S. aviators, a defender of the motherland to the Chinese, father of a
6-year-old boy to his family, Wang radioed to a fellow F-8 pilot that he wanted to bail
out. Those were his last known words.

Two dozen Americans, on a plane about the size of a Boeing 737, could only sit out their
own terror.

With the nose cone gone and two of four propellors damaged or destroyed, the plane
known as a ``flying pig'' plunged 8,000 feet before the pilot gained control, a U.S. official
said.

As Secretary of State Colin Powell put it, the descent was ``pretty hairy.''

The crew apparently found the presence of mind amid the rows of radar consoles to
begin wrecking high-tech spy equipment and erasing secrets before the emergency
landing. How far they got is of exceptional interest to both countries.

Twenty-six minutes after the collision, according to U.S. information, they were on
blessed ground.

But it was Chinese ground. And they were not invited.

Their welcome to Hainan island, a one-time gangster paradise that calls itself the ``Hawaii
of China'' with an eye to tourism, was all business. Chinese authorities brushed aside
diplomatic niceties and boarded, U.S. officials said.

Like road-rage adversaries arguing in the breakdown lane, officials from both countries
began exchanging blame.

Your plane swerved and hit ours, the Chinese said.

Not so, said the Americans. They said their flying pig could not make such a sharp turn
if it wanted to.

``It's not a normal practice,'' said Pacific Command chief Adm. Dennis Blair, ``to play
bumpercars in the air.''

------

The accident happened late on the night of March 31, Washington time. Bush, spending
the weekend at Camp David with his wife and friends, got first word in a phone call
about 11 p.m. from Condoleezza Rice, his national security adviser.

U.S. officials adjusted their body clocks to Beijing time. Senior people at the Pentagon
worked through the wee hours; sign sheets showed them going until 6 a.m.

On Monday, Bush addressed ``this incident'' with measured words.

He did not assign blame. He wanted the crew back and the plane, too, ``without further
damaging or tampering,'' he said.

The president complained about lack of U.S. access to the detained Americans and said a
prompt Chinese response was called for in order for the two nations to achieve their goal
of better relations.

Bush had come to office with a new wariness of China, one that underscored the
competitive nature of the relationship while recognizing the trading partners have many
peaceful common interests.

But it was actually during the last months of the Clinton administration that the United
States began to step up its reconnaissance flights in the Pacific. Geopolitical interests are
shifting to Asia, and there are specific tensions with China over matters such as U.S.
arms sales to Taiwan.

Indeed, Wang was known to U.S. fliers for his past intercepts. In one instance, he was
said to have flown so close to one plane that he could show the Americans his e-mail
address, presumably in case they wished to swap cat-and-mouse tales later.

It is not known whether the Americans took him up on the offer. But they did take his
picture.

------

At Whidbey Island Naval Air Station at Oak Harbor, Wash., home of the crew, their
families gathered in a chapel for a prayer service Monday.

They knew their loved ones were all safe, but little else.

Yellow ribbons, the symbols of longing for captives, were tied on trees and posts. In
Norfolk, Neb., Bill Osborn put one on his wrought-iron front door for his nephew, Lt.
Shane Osborn.

On Tuesday, U.S. envoys were allowed to meet the 21 men and three women for the
first time. The Americans look glum in the photograph.

But when asked by an Army general in the presence of Chinese officials whether they
had tackled ``the checklist,'' the crew shouted in unison, ``Yes!'' according to a U.S.
official briefed on the exchange.

The checklist was a veiled reference to procedures for the destruction of sensitive
material on the plane.

After the meeting, the U.S. envoys went shopping, loading up on deodorant, underwear
and other small necessities for the crew.

Hainan-style detention has not been one of hardship, as Powell described it after U.S.
diplomats were granted a second meeting Friday.

Powell said the crew has been put up in officers' quarters and given catered food, with
the three women in one room, the commander alone in another, and the other men paired
off.

``So the Chinese are taking good care of our men and women.''

On Saturday, at 1 a.m. in Hainan, two U.S. representatives met the crew members for a
third time, an hour accorded after a day of waiting.

------

China's repeated demands for an apology brought something less from the United States
-- expressions of regret over the loss of the Chinese pilot and the jet fighter, but no
acceptance of responsibility.

Even that was considered ``a step in the right direction'' by Beijing, and negotiations
intensified.

In both capitals and across the world's time zones, ambassadors and foreign ministers
came and went, carrying messages and letters -- including one being reviewed by Bush
and Chinese President Jiang Zemin, hoping to reach a ``common understanding'' about an
uncommon event.

Still, Chinese officials held to their view that the U.S. plane was being provocative by
operating near their coast -- some 70 nautical miles from Hainan -- that the emergency
landing was an illegal intrusion and that Americans had caused the accident.

``American planes come to the edge of our country and they don't say `Excuse me,'''
Jiang said. ``This sort of conduct is not acceptable in any country.''

China's state-owned media were filled with news of the accident; TV news shows were
extended and the second pilot shadowing the Americans told his dramatic story, shaking
his fist in anger.

``The outer propeller on the left wing hit the tail fin of Wang Wei's aircraft,'' Zhao Yu
said. ``Bam! It was smashed into bits, like little pieces.''

Copyright 2001 The Associated Press