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To: Carolyn who wrote (1017)	4/9/2001 11:53:47 AM
From: Michael M	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Yes, round up all the Taliban and whack 'em. Not kidding. Yes, Turkey is at the center of what will be good or bad for the west, IMO. France not only wants to drive the Euro train, it seems to want to deny Turks boarding passes. m

To: Carolyn who wrote (1017)	4/9/2001 12:28:04 PM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

Hey, wait a minute Carolyn!! Before you pack them all into your torture chamber make sure there's enough room left for our home-made villains: Wednesday, 21 March, 2001, 21:48 GMT Vatican 'knew of widespread abuse' The report highlights nuns' 'disturbing testimonies' By the BBC's religious affairs correspondent Jane Little A day after the emergence of a report on the rape of nuns by priests, the Roman Catholic Aid Agency, Cafod, has confirmed that it showed the Vatican the report seven years ago. The leaked report said that priests and missionaries across several continents were forcing nuns to have sex with them. On Tuesday, the Vatican confirmed that such abuse had been taking place, but denied that it was so widespread. Among the abuses detailed is the case of a nun being forced to have an abortion by the priest who impregnated her. She later died and he officiated at her requiem mass. Also cited is the case of a mother superior who repeatedly complained to her local bishop that priests in the diocese had made 29 of her nuns pregnant The bishop, according to the report, subsequently relieved her of her duties. 'Disturbing testimonies' In particular, the report singles out Africa where priests and missionaries, wary of catching HIV, have targetted nuns in a bid for safe sex. The report, which was leaked to respected American Journal, the National Catholic Reporter, was written seven years ago by a nun and physician, Maura O'Donohue, who was then Aids coordinator for the Catholic Relief Charity, Cafod. The charity says it helped Sister O'Donohue take what it described as the "disturbing testimonies" from nuns across the world to the relevant authorities, including the Vatican. But it says neither Cafod nor the author, who still works for the charity in London, leaked it and it was never intended to be made public. As such, it reinforces other reports of sexual abuse and the rape of nuns on the continent by their male colleagues. In 1998, Marie MacDonald, head of the Missionaries of Our Lady of Africa, presented a similar study on "sexual abuse and rape committed by priests" to the Vatican. Her order has declined to comment on it. Vatican denial Sister O'Donohue's report covers a much wider area. According to the National Catholic Reporter, she cites cases in 23 countries in Africa, Asia, Europe and North and South America. The Vatican response has so far has been one of denial that the problem is so widespread, and promises to investigate the issue internally. Instead the Vatican was keen to emphasise the "often heroic faith" expressed by the large majority of clergy and those in religious orders. This sentiment was echoed by the Missionary News Agency, Misna, which while condemning the abuse, recalled that missionaries often work "in situations of extreme psychological and physical hardship." That, however, will be cold comfort to those who have complained of a conspiracy of silence over the issue for several years. They argue that the church hierarchy should have taken direct responsibility for the abuse, and stopped it. _______________ news.bbc.co.uk Anyway, Carolyn, you've missed the point: my argument was not about the Talebans' obscurantist mores --which I condemn readily-- but about the looming possibility of yet another terrorist deception crafted by both EU secret services and the Mossad. The scheme is very straightforward: by putting the blame on alleged Taleban terrorists (probably helped by Albanian militiamen), the official yarn will give credit to Putin's claim that Russia and Europe (and Israel, of course) are facing the same threat --that is, Islamic terrorism. The stage of such a devious plot might be Italy (Berlusconi and his far-rightist running mates would love it....) and the targets.... well, US assets in Italy might be at risk. See, that way, the transatlantic lobby would kill two birds with one stone: kickstarting the Euro-Russian task force AND hooking the Bush administration on their Muslim-bashing bandwagon.... Quite a devilment, isn't it? Gus.

To: Carolyn who wrote (1017)	4/9/2001 12:33:43 PM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

Follow-up to my previous post (re: home-made sex villains) London Telegraph Incest case lifts lid on Mormon polygamy By John Hiscock in Los Angeles The arrest of a man accused of making his 16-year-old niece his 15th wife has resurrected the subject of polygamy in the Mormon Church and has embarrassed officials at its headquarters in Salt Lake City. David Kingston has been arrested on two charges of incest, and sheriff's officers say he may also be charged with violating a Utah state law prohibiting polygamy. If so, it will be the first prosecution for polygamy for more than 45 years. The girl was found abandoned and badly beaten in a remote canyon. She told authorities that she was trying to escape a seven-month forced marriage to her uncle, who already had 14 wives. Her father, John Daniel Kingston, her husband's brother, has been arrested and charged with child abuse for allegedly beating the girl when she tried to run away. Aaron Kennard, the Salt Lake County Sheriff, said he believed that there were many other victims of polygamy, but the difference in this case was that the teenage girl was willing to testify. He said: "This is the first time that an individual has felt strong enough and been willing to testify against a family member. Polygamy is a tough crime to prosecute." The case has brought unwelcome publicity to Salt Lake City, where officials are rebuilding the city and polishing its image for the 2002 Winter Olympics. Leaders of the 10-million-member Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints, which renounced multiple marriages more than a century ago, say they now excommunicate anybody caught engaging in polygamy. Few people in Utah are willing to talk publicly about modern-day polygamy, which is believed to be practised by tens of thousands of Mormon fundamentalists in North America. The 16-year-old girl in this case has the support of a recently formed group called Tapestry of Polygamy, consisting of a group of ex-wives of polygamists who offer encouragement and help to women wanting to escape from their marriages. Maxine Hanes, a group spokeswoman, said:"We want to alert the public about the plight of this young woman and others like her. With so little support available to women trying to leave this lifestyle, assistance is crucial and can mean the difference between life and death in so many cases." She said that during the past year dozens of women had contacted the group to ask for help. Vicky Prunty, one of the group's founders, said:"Most women are still very afraid of coming out because they are in danger." ______________ polygamyinfo.com It's really no surprise the Talebans were initially backed by the US.... LOL! But hey, taleban means student..... I guess they were taught by Mormon profs!