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To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (123278)	4/9/2001 4:33:30 PM
From: Mark Fowler	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164684

Heinz thanks i'm going to give some time for the interest rates to work thru the economy and see what happens. i'll be watching for these signs you have mentioned. let's hope the stock market is going to hold near these levels, , an establish a trading range for stocks would be good.

To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (123278)	4/9/2001 4:56:04 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 164684

>>as home owners equity is wallowing at a multi decade low.<< this alone should leave piss stains on america's levis.

To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (123278)	4/9/2001 8:59:18 PM
From: Victor Lazlo	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 164684

You make a common, beginner's mistake in comparing two countries that have totally different cultures and consumer orientations. So your dart missed the board and landed in the hay. I will forgive you this once. Go now and sin no more. Victor <<in deflationary supercycle bears interest rates get slashed to no avail. look at Japan...its short term lending rates are close to zero, and have been there several times already over the past decade. it hasn't helped one bit. also, it has pursued a very expansionary fiscal policy, also with no tangible results in sight, after 11 years of trying. >>

To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (123278)	4/11/2001 4:07:45 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164684

"the real estate bubble (which is even more momentous than the stock market bubble was, in terms of the debt incurred while it was growing) is beginning to crumble too. so far it is mostly commercial property that is faltering, with available space increasing dramatically in all important urban regions, while new (and useless) commercial property is still being built everywhere, a typical late cycle phenomenon. commercial property busts traditionally precede residential property busts, and the consumer is particularly ill-prepared for this to happen this time around, as home owners equity is wallowing at a multi decade low. this is just another way of saying that the consumer is drowning in debt, just as the value of his/her assets is coming under pressure." The idea that we will se a "snap back" in the economy or the stock market seems naive at best - and you have touched on one of the reasons above -- I found your post very insightful. I hope you will continue to shar your views on this thread.