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To: nihil who wrote (32665)	4/11/2001 12:29:03 PM
From: O'Hara	Respond to of 39621

><>...Good afternoon nihil...><> Paul of course was born of the tribe of Benjamin, which made him an Israelite, by heritage. ...A Benjamite specifically. Rom 11:1 1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. As to his Roman citizenship: On orders from the tribune, the centurion was about to have Paul scourged. But the Apostle protested, “Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman [citizen], and uncondemned?” (Acts 22:25). The centurion carried the news to the tribune, who queried further. To him Paul not only affirmed his Roman citizenship but explained how he became one: “I was free born” (Acts 22:28). This implies that his father had been a Roman citizen. Roman citizenship could be obtained in various ways. The tribune in the narrative states that he “bought” his citizenship “for a large sum” (Acts 22:28,). More often, however, citizenship was a reward for some service of unusual distinction to the Roman Empire, or was granted when an individual was freed from slavery. As to being a Jew: Paul being of the tribe of Benjamin lived in the land of Judea. The land So. of Jerusalem is where the Benjamites settled finally after their release from Babylon.Hence, being from Judea he could call himself a Jew. Much the same as it it today with most peoples of all nationalities and and heritage. Have a good day Shalom...><>

To: nihil who wrote (32665)	4/11/2001 3:07:34 PM
From: Chris land	Respond to of 39621

<<<Paul, of course, was not an Israeli, he was a Roman citizen, a native of Ephesus, no mean city, but he may still have considered himself a Jew,>>>> According to Jesus, Paul was from Tarsus, probably a Roman province but certainly not from within the borders of Israel. I am under the opinion that when expanding their empire the Romans figured granting Roman citizenship to the inhabitants of certain places would be beneficial to both parties. The citizens received security and the Romans got a buffer zone against foreign invasion. Nevertheless, Paul's lineage was that of the tribe of Benjamin which of course was one of the tribes of Israel. It didn't matter if you were born and raised outside of Israel, what mattered is that you were a descendent of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. When growing up in Tarsus I'm sure that Saul was raised in an Israeli neighbourhood and held fast to all the ceremonies and laws...........or so he thought so till he met Jesus on the road to Damascus. Chris