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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: greenspirit who wrote (138303)	4/14/2001 12:10:55 AM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Mike, I have to disagree with you on this. You say >>>> That grand redistribution plan, which wouldn't have done a thing for the world's ecosystem, is better off sitting in a trash bin somewhere in Prague. I think that in NY city there are some very expensive occupied by scum offices that would make far better Kyoto Protocols waste disposal sites. I feel little minds should be kept busy with the futile. It's the politically correct thing to do. I do think I have the better idea. tom watson tosiwmee

To: greenspirit who wrote (138303)	4/14/2001 12:27:25 AM
From: CYBERKEN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

<<Can you just imagine how deeply entrenched the marxist must be in order for him to give up his life's work, and denounce the very thing he started? It must have been a tortured and painful decision.>> While we can applaud his perception in abandoning this intellectually corrupt organization, I can't help but say he REALLY should have known what would happen from the start...

To: greenspirit who wrote (138303)	4/14/2001 4:48:34 AM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Well if Moore is a Marxist fine, but neither Greenpeace nor any other organization I know of in America is except maybe the Communist Party of the US which has about 1000 members. Don't live in the McCarthyist Cold War past fearing communism in the US. it doesn't even exist. Nor does real socialism. Just a little more or a little less. That attitude is not only wrong but paranoid. Even those you call liberal are quite conservative these days about many matters, and they too are capitalist entrepreneurs and businessmen who don't want European style taxes or birth-to-death government care. We are a working nation not a nation of bums. Go to Europe and you'll see even the most liberal Americans are much more capitalistic than most europeans. But why should Republicans apreciate environmentalists> because most Republicans don't want more pollution which Bush/Cheney is trying to give them. Most people don't, period. Which is why it's wrong that a few rich fat cats bought your man off and why Republicans should write their representatives and challenge them on the giveaways to the big polluters. Only a small minority wants that for this country and for the world, and they are grievously selfish people who stand to financially gain at everyone else's expense. Does capitalism = selfishness and waste? Too much of the time to some I think. Like trying to save jobs at an asbestos plant isn't good for workers and their families. It just kills them. There are much cleaner ways to provide jobs and a robust and sustainable economy. I know many Republicans and not one would agree with Bush/Cheney on environmental issues, and would feel shameful and guilty if they did. That along with the sexual education and birth control repression of the Religious Right are the two issues where the GOP is most wrong in the majority view. Most Republicans vote GOP despite those two issues. Perhaps they're just the necessary evils to get Republican presidents elected (polluters money and Southern Baptist voters) which is a real shame. I admire men like McCain who dare to go against their own party establishment to get the right things done. Nominate him next time. That man has real guts. Campaign finance reform can work if we just vote out those who oppose it. The whole process will take awhile but when it's finished we'll know that the most influential minority views will have to bend to democracy which is the will of the majority, like it or not. Basically I trust most people to do the right thing in the long run but our system promotes the selfish values of the few (and often hidden) using cash-corrupted front-men politicians like puppets to do their bidding. And the people get screwed. As we evolve as a nation we must correct injustices of every kind and make this a better land and democracy for the next generations. Protecting the environment is a #1 priority and Bush not only lied about his intentions but he is betraying everyone outside the oil patch by now trying to get away with environmental murder. I am asking all my Republican friends to try and change this in their own party. And ridiculing Greenpeace doesn't do anyone any good. They're the one organzation with the balls to do something today and it got noticed around the world. Three people went to jail for the sake of most all of us and what nature we have left. God bless 'em I say. Goodnight.