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To: Dayuhan who wrote (11279)	4/14/2001 12:53:58 AM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I will qualify: deaf people who consider themselves part of the deaf community. Not all deaf do. But if you get into it, it's an astonishing subculture. I knew very little about it until my daughters started taking ASL. Now I have read some of their assigned texts on the deaf community, and I can tell you, it's astonishing.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (11279)	4/14/2001 12:58:14 AM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

The deaf know that sound exists. They cannot perceive it, but there is abundant empirical evidence to demonstrate that it exists. Oh? If you're profoundly deaf from birth, what empirical evidence? People say it exists. But people say God exists. Is that empirial evidence? You can look at measurements on a scope or meter. But you have to accept somebody else's word that what you're seeing are movements of a needle or numbers or something that are caused by sound waves. For all you know they could be caused by anything. You can see a flower grow, but just because somebody tells you God is making it grow, will you accept that God exists? What empirical evidence can person profountly deaf from birth use to prove that sound exists?

To: Dayuhan who wrote (11279)	4/14/2001 1:03:04 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 82486

I am lucky to have several deaf friends. The deaf community is very diverse. Unfortunately people like to see people with differences as all the same. That's a problem. No two deaf people are the same, just as no two hearing people are the same. Some deaf people have political agendas in common, and some of them do take the stance that they are benefited by their deafness. Who could blame them? Maybe they are. Even if they weren't would I be cruel enough to take that away from them if it made them happy? No. It is enough that deaf people, like hearing people, find a way to be happy and content with themselves. I don't suppose it really matters how they do it, as long as they don't cause harm to others. What does bother me is when people start telling other people how to live. And I know that deaf people who believe in sign can get very angry at deaf people who want to join the hearing world by lip reading and implants. That does seem wrong to me. What you do for yourself, and with people who believe as you do, is one thing- but to make other people uncomfortable over a lifestyle choice, seems to cause greater pain in the world. I don't see the point in increasing suffering. But maybe that's just another of my many blind spots.