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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (11549)	4/16/2001 4:21:09 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I find it difficult to imagine anyone like that exists. It is really funny to see Average and you discussing the ideas you think I have. Because it merely proves the subjective nature of reality. You guys are WAY off base in trying to get a handle on my reality(to my way of seeing things).

To: Neocon who wrote (11549)	4/16/2001 5:37:20 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

"I find it difficult to imagine teaching when one believes there is nothing important to learn." The real payoff is when they point a gun at your head and say "It's too deep, you would not understand". The truth is they can't explain it. And I know they are opposed to guns, unless of course the guns are in the hands of Janet Reno storm troopers. It all leads me to believe that through some obviously transcendent process they have arrived at their outlook on life. X to her credit is a good barometer on how people think. Think might not be a good word, how about, "trained to react". You'll note how they become immediately offended at certain statements or words and then break into diatribe. This is a type of censorship that is found only in North America in my experience. To walk around on egg shells so you don't say anything that could offend or be construed as offensive. I believe we can put the blame squarely on the shoulders of standardized education. They remind me of the screaming masses who urged on the proponents of the Spanish Inquisition. And of course when something brutal or bad happens they can say "I didn't know anything" "Why would anybody listen to me". An enabler is just as bad as the crime he or she allows to happen.

To: Neocon who wrote (11549)	4/16/2001 9:00:21 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I find it difficult to imagine teaching when one believes there is nothing to important to learn. We have several thousand years of recorded and accumulated experience and observations of the physical world around us and the interactions among humans. We have several thousand years of watching and recording causes and effects, and of drawing conclusions based on these observations. Do you think that because these observations do not constitute "objective truth", they are not worth learning? Your "truths", in honesty, are as subjective as any others. The difference between you and X is that instead of admitting that your subjective truths are what they are, you have declared them objective, because you find it convenient to do so. Of course, you want to pass these "truths" on to others, and you want them to be introduced as objective truth, rather than as a lesson learned through experience. If that's not indoctrination, I don't know what is.