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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (11551)	4/16/2001 4:19:04 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Tell me more. I'll have to get back to you. I'm heading off to a birthday party for a cat. Don't ask. <g> Karen

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (11551)	4/17/2001 6:44:28 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Tell me more. OK. Here's the story about Jesus being born in a cave. According to the show, in those times in Bethlehem, people lived in caves and grottos and houses that looked like caves inside. The dwellings had two levels. On the ground floor were dug-out areas for the livestock to stay in bad weather and mangers in the open space. There was like a loft over the top of the animal dugouts for the people, the idea being that the heat from the animals below would warm the upper part of the cave or house. That there was no room at the inn was mistranslated. The word for inn also meant upper floor of the house so that explains why Jesus was in the lower part of the house, the animal quarters, rather than up top with the people. Jesus was born in 6 BCE. When Dennis the Little developed the calendar in the 6th century, he made a 6 year mistake. Re the virgin birth. Mathew and Luke must have really believed the virgin birth story when they wrote about it 40 years later. Getting pregnant out of wedlock in those days was seriously tabu inviting death so Mathew and Luke would not have risked sullying Jesus by saying him mother wasn't married unless they really believed in the virgin birth. The show featured Sam Berry, a genetics professor in London, apparently the only expert who finds virgin birth possible. Fish, insects, and reptiles have virgin births but the offspring are always female. Berry says if Mary was born with both an X and Y chromosome (1 in 5 million women) and a womb, which those few women rarely have (which would reduce the probability even further), then, Berry says, it's not absolutely biologically impossible. The claim is of resurrection is not a rational claim but an expression of belief, according to the show, and can't be reduced to reason. The three explanations they offered for the empty tomb were that he was never taken to a tomb because most of the crucified weren't and there were bunches and bunches of them. The second was that mandrake was administered in the vinegar which made him appear dead when he wasn't. The third was that the body was stolen. The show didn't present any of them with conviction. Conversely, the only support for resurrection they offered was that so many had visions of seeing him after his death. End of report. Don't blame the messenger. See the show. Karen