To: Maverick who wrote (4690 ) 4/22/2001 9:51:20 PM From: Dr Mike Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4908 Mav: We are all critical of OE's management owning so few shares; many (most?) of us own more "ordinaries" than Mr Schlunke and many of his cohorts. In contrast, the Yahoo Company Profile of OE states that "insiders" own 52% of the stock. Who are these insiders? I'm embarrassed to admit that I don't know. I own a substantial stake in an overseas company, and I don't know who these insiders are. What are the relevant Aussie rules on this? If these insiders are spouses or other family members of the directors, we have little to worry about with respect to a hostile takeover, as this little group will protect their interests and incidentally (?reluctantly) protect your and my interests as well. This also may give OE many of the advantages of a closely held company. Maybe they really do know what they're doing and stoically ignore the abuse that we shareholders heap upon them because they know that they are right, have no fear of being ousted from their positions, and know that the "big one" is a matter not of if but when. (I'm starting to sound like Pierre). If this is the case, then we don't need a poison pill, we just need to hold on and have confidence that the OE family wants their yachts as much as we do. Of course Yahoo could be wrong. I don't have a convenient Annual Report to check on this. Re: Your "flipmobile" story. At the risk of rekindling our SUV discussion, your article presents valuable cautions concerning 15 passenger vans, but to cavalierly dismiss these vans as too dangerous to ride in (implied but not stated) misses a very important point. Just as SUVs are more likely to roll over but are overall substantially safer than sedans, I suspect that the team members riding to the game in their vans are safer than they would be in most alternative transportation, e.g., sedans. The article quotes a college official as saying that it's not practical to use a bus to transport a small group of athletes, and the moral of the story, as always, is that training and a few precautions greatly increase the safety of the vans in question.