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To: Puck who wrote (10928)	4/23/2001 1:14:46 PM
From: LarsA	Respond to of 34857

OT: "many Finns who enjoy seeing Ericsson writhing in its troubles" -could be, we have to ask Ilmarinen and other thread friends but I don't really think so. Nokia is not an underdog anymore and ERICY has been, still is, an important partner in standardization. If you check Swedish investor boards and newspapers you will find a very critical attitude towards ERICY - old, incompetent leadership, ugly phones. Not all fair and maybe more an expression of investor frustration. Swedes are not very nationalistic and apart from the fact that many of our friends and relatives work(ed) for ERICY we realize that big companies have no nationality or even loyalty. I know for a fact that my Swedish pension funds own a lot of NOK...

To: Puck who wrote (10928)	4/23/2001 6:20:16 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 34857

I think the "enemy" is common, management (as well as largest share holders) who don't react on the internal situation nor the external situation. Ericsson's present problems are nothing new, in many aspects similar to what Nokia went through in the 80s. (according to many organizational, crprtn cultural analysts) But there are also some distinct differences, at least in the internal and external history, background of the two companies. In no way do any finn (I know) enjoy the pain of Ericsson, just as every finn I know also "know" that sweden never has "enjoyed" times when finland, finns have had tough times. On the contrary.. However, finland has always been "the poor cousin", for many reasons, this might be the first time the situation is reversed, something to be enjoyed on both sides.. Compare when Finland finally beat the Swedes in the icehockey world championship final, on their home turf, and the swedes were almost as happy as the finns, participated in the partying. With as much interaction as there has been and is between Sweden and Finland this is of course a very multidimensional thing (going back to at least early 1200 when we cut the ear of one swede Henrik for sexual harassement and attempt at collecting taxes..) And it is actually pretty difficult to find any aspect which has been destructive, actually a very good example on constructive interaction between two still easily defined groups of people. That is, the totally different languages, both grammatically and in term of intonation (with some exceptions) makes it easy to decide on "what" a person is, almost as easy to detect as skin color. Ilmarinen. P.S. This last thing is intersting from a GSM, LPC vocoder and pitch as well as music point of view. Swedish is one of the handful of languages that use octave intervals (ref the swedish muppet chef) while the finnish "melody" of speach is close to the other extreme, a basic falling line of pitch, large upward intervals are seldom used. This seem to result in some common misunderstandings, swedes think finns sound very serious, depressed, etc and finns think swedes sound..well..feminine and slightly dishonest.. The reason, according to the Ilmarine Vocoder Group, is that anyone (internationally) use similar "melodies" when talking with babies, children learning to talk. Additionally "salespeople" tend to overdo the intonation just a little more than what might be considered normal. On the other hand similar differences and potential intuitive misunderstandings exist within both Sweden and to a lesser degree Finland, as well as UK. In the words of one (finland) national hero from UK, there is nothing as good to fall asleep to as the finnish news, perfectly boring. Hmm, intersting that Ramqvist and Hellstrom are called "muppets" in Sweden?? (and just like most swedes, most finns understand that it clearly isn't a simple thing of two persons with a tough job) P.P.S. The Swedish-Finnish interaction is probably one of the most tax-subsidized ones in the world, the magic of tax-free alcohol for the masses on the ferries between the two nations, now having moved to the scandinavia-baltic states by the wisdom of EU. (plus the island of ahvenanmaa, åland, similar to Isle of Mann, Jersey, etc)