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To: The Philosopher who wrote (12263)	4/24/2001 1:03:40 AM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"Vindictive"? Odd word choice. It is not I whom she is denying painkillers in my final agonies, or food when her coffers are overflowing. I simply, unlike you, dislike those who cause millions of people immeasurable suffering. It fits, in fact, my definition of evil action. You have tossed out many "facts" without any documentation at all. Perhaps it's time you gave references to some objective verification of your charges. It's hard for me to credit that she was as evil as you paint her and yet able to fool so many people, Before I provide credible verification of my description of MT's modus operandi and values, tell me what, if I do, you will agree to. Because if you don't care about her crimes against humanity, I won't waste my time. Will you agree that she is "as evil as [I] paint her," if she: opposed giving pain killers to those dying in agony never built a single modern, clean hospital with the unaudited millions she collected for such purposes but only ran some primitive, ill-equipped so-called clinics founded over 500 nunneries in 150 countries, with the funds collected for the poor didn't bother with sterilization in her "hospitals," feeling needles washed with cold water were good enough for the poor opposed birth control in all cases in a nation in which an estimated 400 million people live in brutal poverty, and there are an estimated 73 million undernourished children relied on contributions of food for the hungry patients in her clinics instead of breaking into her bank accounts to buy it opposed divorce in all cases except... Princess Diana's, of which she approved sucked up to the the Duvalier family laid a wreath at the tomb of Enver Hoxa accepted large sums of (stolen) money from the crook Charles Keating and sent a letter in support of him to the judge in his case, and simply didn't reply when the asst DA asked her to return the stolen money to those from whom it had been stolen expressly believed that God wanted people to suffer as much as possible, the more the better Got top of the line, state of the art, medical care for herself, when she was ill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` So, Christopher, if I provide credible and convincing substantiation for this as accurate description of Mother Teresa, will you acknowledge that MT-worship is an wrong-headed sociological phenomenon and seek another exemplar of virtue? She committed crimes against humanity. She loved suffering and proceeded in her life to increase the sum total of it as much as possible. This is important, and shouldn't be brushed aside because the idea of a hero makes you feel sentimental. If you will merely Disneyize her again, there is no point.

To: The Philosopher who wrote (12263)	4/24/2001 10:55:22 AM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Let me add this question, please, because I think it will clarify our positions on the principles involved. It's a hypothetical. If, if, Mother Teresa or any other public, funds-collecting, individual of influence did these things, espoused and lobbied for these values, IF, would you agree that that person was not "doing good"? This is an "if" question. Not one about what Mother Teresa's goals and practices were. It's about what you would think of anyone at all whose goals and practices and values were reflected in this description: ~opposed giving pain killers to those dying in agony ~never built a single modern, clean hospital with the unaudited millions she collected for such purposes but only ran some primitive, ill-equipped so-called clinics ~with the funds collected for the poor, founded over 500 nunneries in 150 countries ~didn't bother with sterilization in her "hospitals," feeling needles washed with cold water were good enough for the poor ~yet got top of the line, state of the art, medical care for herself, when she was ill ~relied on contributions of food for the hungry patients in her clinics instead of breaking into her bank accounts to buy it ~opposed divorce in all cases except... Princess Diana's, of which she expressed her approval ~sucked up to the the Duvalier family ~laid a wreath at the tomb of Enver Hoxa ~accepted large sums of (stolen) money from the crook Charles Keating and sent a letter in support of him to the judge in his case, and simply didn't reply when the asst DA asked her in writing to return the stolen money to those from whom it had been stolen ~expressly believed that God liked people to suffer as much as possible, the more the better ~and, consistently with her attitude toward human suffering, opposed birth control in all cases in a nation in which an estimated 400 million people live in brutal poverty, and there are an estimated 73 million undernourished children