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To: Scumbria who wrote (140514)	4/25/2001 12:57:31 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769669

<<They have no guns in England, and a much lower crime rate.>> We have lots of guns where I live and a murder rate of 1/250,000. Very few of those involve guns.

To: Scumbria who wrote (140514)	4/25/2001 1:18:52 PM
From: d[-_-]b	Respond to of 769669

Scumbria, re: They have no guns in England, and a much lower crime rate. They seem to be catching up: guardian.co.uk Gun crime rockets to record high Arms were used 15,000 times to commit offences this year alone. Tony Thompson investigates Special report: policing crime Special report: gun violence in Britain Sunday December 31, 2000 The Observer Gun crime in Britain is soaring to record levels: executions, woundings and related incidents in the past year are set to be the highest ever, an investigation by The Observer has revealed. Preliminary figures show there have been more than 15,000 armed offences during 2000, up by almost 10 per cent over last year. The number of armed operations by police is also at a record level.

To: Scumbria who wrote (140514)	4/25/2001 2:30:39 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Respond to of 769669

guncite.com Taiwan has a higher rate of murder with a 3 times higher rate of non firearms murders. Back in the 60's NYC schools had shooting clubs. Kids carried their rifles to school on the subways, stored them with teachers and then used them in practice after school. "If we don't ask why young people weren't shooting each other at a time when guns were far more accessible than they are today, we do so at our peril." Walter Williams. P.S. No answer to the rising rate of crime in UK vs. the declining rate in US or the fact as Ish has pointed out that many crimes (including violent crimes) are committed at a higher rate in UK now than in the U.S. How does the saying go.....lie, damn lies, and statistics.