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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Solon who wrote (12386)	4/25/2001 5:27:27 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 82486

I am not asking for much, but an Oops would be nice. You took me to task for a mistake that was your own...... On the other, politics and religion and lust and greed and all sorts of things intermingle when the dogs of war are unleashed. I consider the Crusades to have been legitimate in their initial intention, to go to the aid of the Byzantine Empire as it was under attack by the Muslims, although they ended in disgrace. I am sorry they ended in disgrace. I do not draw any large lessons from it.......

To: Solon who wrote (12386)	4/25/2001 6:09:42 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

You two seem to be getting lost in a numbers game that, for me at least, obscures the point. Which is? If the point is that Christians throughout history have killed many people, granted. If the point is that Christians who faithfully follow Christ's teachings shouldn't be killing people, also granted. If the point is that non-Christians throughout history have killed many people, also granted. If the point is that human beings, Christian, non-Christian religious, agnostic, and atheists all included, have an evil side to their natures which causes them sometimes to be killers when our contemporary sense of morality says the killings were wicked or evil, granted. If the point is that we like to think the world is progressing from a state of barbarism to an increase of civilization, granted we like to think that, but not granted it's true. Hutu, Tutsi, Balkans, Middle East, just for starters. If the point is that Christianity has or has not had a moderating influence on the historical propensity of people to go out and slaughter other people, that one's up for grabs IMO. But what's the point in trying to resolve it, which we never will anyhow? If the point is none of these, then what IS the point?