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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (12436)	4/26/2001 12:20:37 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

That is exactly my point Neo ..."Truths" of human nature are Universal... so is often the superficiality. ....on a spiritual level we speak not of Brahmins and Priests tho , but of Saints & "Holy" ones . Those examples you site are easy to dwell upon , but why ignore the heart of what I am saying to you ? Did you ever hear the story of the humble weaver and Saint of southern India (2nd century BC ) called Tiruvallavar? There are the verses he wrote called the Holy Kural or Tirumantiram that is used as their Bible there. It is used and sworn upon in their courts of law. An amazing little book . A great Saint . If you go to the southern most tip of India now you will find a newly constructed statue facing the West , almost as tall as the statue of Liberty, all hand carved with devotion. It is called "the Statue of Liberation". Really impressive. There is your juxtaposition and reconciliation that must come into being at some point in our history . East will meet West eventually... Ther are numerous similarities that could be mentioned of people burning in fires in Christian history...very many. Why go there ? ;-( mars PS : The Tirumantiram are the oldest preserved writngs in the world of the exact sayings of a "holy one" that came down thru history in their orignal form. One for you to investigate someday.

To: Neocon who wrote (12436)	5/3/2001 2:11:25 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Not to mention Untouchability, the Thugee devotees of Kali, suttee (the act or custom of a Hindu widow willingly being cremated on the funeral pyre of her husband as an indication of her devotion to him), Do you really believe that is an accurate description of Hinduism today , Neo ? You do not find it rather an idiotic oversight , to forget to point out the funeral pyres and wars that have lined roads for centuries of Christendom ? Many. How many of the saints were cannonized after they were martyred and burned by their own Church ? Many. There must be something I missed , when I look back upon world history , say the last 1300yrs or so. We are a great civilization because of Christianity? Or is it simply because of the human spirit and energy coming from out of many quarters of the world to become more aware and seek a "More perfect Union" away from the rule of tyrants and ____. Where does this collective taking and giving of credits get passed out from ? This kind of crude analysis is very typical of those so used to adroitly covering up and hiding centuries of their own abuses and unfathomable inconsistencies. Perhaps we can give that "Church" the auspice of inspiring and conquering much of the world , but I would not attribute the enlightenment of man or maintenance of Law & Order , that it ( The Holy See) so likes to conceive itself of perpetuating . It is just another of mankind's latest fairytales of the superman held fast behind grandiose marble walls with it's borrowed rituals propaganda machines and historical "Spins" . * Mother Teresa was one of their best PR jobs of the last Century ...as the Vatican trys to make war on Indian Culture. They do have one of the best propaganda machines in the world . And Ghandi did rather steal the spotlight of "Living Sainthood" idea away from the Catholic domain. How completely heretical to think that such a "Sainted" man could be produced outside the sacred walls of Christianity and capture the imagination of the entire world ? Let's sprinkle the "Holy Water " around liberally, Neo. But these are modern times , and such characterizations of the beliefs of others doesn't wash any longer. Welcome to the 21rst century. regards Mars