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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Mac Con Ulaidh who wrote (12704)	4/30/2001 11:46:13 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 82486

You have asked before to discuss what "the left" means now, yet the stances I see you take don't strike me as leftist, not that leftist isn't diverse. But that's why I am interested in discussing what the left means now. If some stances I take don't strike you as leftist, that means you must have a concept of what the left today is and isn't. There can hardly be a question that in the 1960s I was seriously left, though not to the extent of running to Canada or becoming a member of the communist party. I preferred to stay and tackle the problems we had here at home. But at least some of the principles that were clearly leftist in the 60s seem to me to have been deserted by the contemporary left. Integration, for example. I don't know how old you are -- don't know whether you are old enough (and if you are whether you did) to have sat, alternate blacks and whites, on the stools of segregated restauarants singing "Black and White together" and meaning it. We were fighting against segregation in any form. Yet there seems to be a movement today to embrace re-segregation in at least some arenas. Black student unions. Black studies programs. Choosing professors largely on the basis of their race or gender. When SNCC kicked out all the whites, King spoke out strongly against it. What would he be saying today about the re-segregation of America? Did the left really "win" the 60s? Are there common principles running from the 60s to the 00s, and if so what are they? Have the principles of the liberal 60s been taken over by the conservative 00s? Those are questions that interest me intensely. What stances that I am taking strike you as leftist? Can you be specific?