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Politics : The Left Wing Porch -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lane3 who wrote (4700)5/3/2001 5:59:47 PM
From: The PhilosopherRead Replies (3) | Respond to of 6089
 
Mea culpa. I prostate myself in abject surrender. How I could possible mix you up with choosie is a mystery I can only blame on a very, very senior moment.

Will you forgive me?

Please?

Because you've said that you used to be one way back when but find that you aren't any more.

Actually, I don't think I said I'm not one any more. What I have said is that many people who today call themselves liberals seem to have have deserted some of the core principles which I still consider the basis of liberalism. I think it was pretty clear in 1960 what a liberal was and what one stood for. There have always been fuzzy edges, there are with any associative process, but the core was pretty clear.

For example, it was absolutely clear that racial integration was the core goal of the civil rights movement and any differentiation of treatment based on race was wrong. That core value seems, for the time being, to have been deserted by many liberals.

That's just one of many examples.

What I'm trying to find out is what the core values of liberalism are today, and how they match up with the core values of liberalism in the 1960s. So far nobody here seems to be interested in the discussion. I'm not sure why. Is it because there are no such values? Is it because there seems to be no benefit to trying to identify them? Is it because it would be contentious to do so and we want to avoid contention? Is it because everybody is too busy being liberal to think about what it MEANS to be liberal?