To: THE WATSONYOUTH who wrote (134152 ) 5/4/2001 10:44:56 PM From: Dan3 Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894 Re: , I thought only IBM was capable of multi billion dollar blunders. So, you would think that Intel management would learn its lesson. I sincerely doubt it. Looks to me they are setting up a similar scenario with 3GIO. Typical Intel management stance. Self serving...arrogant.... but dumb. Being discussed on the MOD thread:AMD hopes to make HyperTransport an open standard soon, inviting participation in the spec's ongoing development. A HyperTransport industry consortium is imminent, said AMD technology evangelist Gabriele Sartori. "We have a large number of people working on the spec, and we intend to spread HyperTransport as much as we can throughout the industry," Sartori said. AMD has working silicon of the technology, and in-house PCI boards on which two chips communicate using HyperTransport. API Networks Inc., which co-developed the spec, last month released a HyperTransport-to-PCI bridge; Nvidia Corp. has a working south bridge; Altera Corp. has shipped FPGAs that support the technology; and multiple MIPS CPUs that use HyperTransport interconnect are in development for the communications market. Sartori also said a defense contractor, whose name he withheld, contacted AMD in April about licensing HyperTransport. It was the first defense company to do so, he said. "The set of companies doing real work on HyperTransport is growing so quickly that we need a consortium; it's absolutely needed," said David Rich, general manager of the HyperTransport business at spec co-developer API Networks (Concord, Mass.). "We call AMD almost every week and ask 'Is it here yet?' " The lack of a consortium has hurt HyperTransport's adoption on the global level, Rich said. "In Europe, especially, companies are very wary until they see a standards body or an open way to discuss things." Sartori would not disclose who the steering members of the consortium will be but named Broadcom, Cisco, Nvidia and Sun as having helped tweak the spec to broaden its appeal and make it more focused on networking applications. More than 150 companies have licensed the technology from AMD to date, at a minimal fee, he said. "We're not trying to make a business out of this licensing. And we haven't denied a single license to anyone." Meanwhile Intel:As Intel Corp. readies its 3GIO spec for a fall debut at the Intel Developer Forum, Advanced Micro Devices Inc. is quietly working to form an industry consortium based on the HyperTransport I/O technology, with an unveiling similarly slated for later this year. But proponents of rival networking interconnect technologies say HyperTransport's PC roots leave it wanting in embedded-system attributes. While little is known about the 3GIO spec, a bus charged with supplanting PCI technology in the desktop market... eetimes.com Looks like Intel is heading down another dead end, doing exactly what they did with rambus. AMD leads the industry one way, while Intel spends billions trying to jam everybody into using Intel's proprietary standard. The industry isn't that stupid, even if Intel management is. Intel's last moronic power grab cost them 15% of the CPU market and destroyed their profitability, I wonder what 3GIO is going to do to them? Regards, Dan