To: gao seng who wrote (542 ) 5/9/2001 7:36:40 PM From: Mitch Blevins Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1112 I think many of your examples are simply trait divergence, and not examples of speciation. I certainly haven't read all of the articles. That is a pretty bold statement for someone who claims to not have read the articles. It appears that you are being stubborn... Most of the given articles contain the word "speciation" in the title and you do not believe that they describe speciation? These are well-respected science journals, not just some Yahoos on the internet spouting off. And it is not like I am asking you to take this on faith. I deliberately provided the references so that you could research it independently if desired.... Anyway, given that, I do not believe your examples provide enough substance to call evolution a science. Why would I expect you to? You will not even accept that speciation exists when it is laid out in front of your face very clearly....This argument will never be resolved, partly because the two sides are NEVER arguing the same terminology, Don't be so pessimistic. We can define our terminology. :)and partly because the totality of the issues will remain untestable. Maybe the totality of the issues will remain untestable (until we build a time machine), but certain issues are indeed testable right now. For example, we know that species exist today that did not exist 100 years ago. This is a fact. It rules out a literal interpretation of Genesis that calls for all species being created at the beginning of time and within 6 days. It suggests that if God is creating the species, He does it over long periods of time and through natural means. A cure for your incredulity can be had by just opening your eyes to the world around you. Skeptical that a single-cell organism could evolve into a multi-cell organism? Would a living "missing link" help? Study the lowly slime mold!mainline.brynmawr.edu Cheers, -Mitch