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To: Paul Engel who wrote (38771)	5/9/2001 9:17:41 PM
From: niceguy767	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Paul: "Here is a critical blast at AMD and VIA quality and reliability" !. Once again, Paul, I believe it because you've brought it to us, but thousands wouldn't... 2. "He couldn't care less if your Intel system is 10 or 15% slower than an AMD system; he's not using it. He couldn't care less if your Intel system costs more; he's not paying for it. " That is a real laugher, Paul...Now that INTC can't keep up in speed, some bozo fabricates something about INTC quality and you bring it to us here like it desreves the credibility of some Scientific American publication...That really is one of your funnioer posts...Well supported by hard data, too!!! Scraping the bottom of the barrel now...you must be really worried about pending events!!!

To: Paul Engel who wrote (38771)	5/9/2001 9:26:37 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

RE:""A Lower Standard" Ed Stroligo - 5/8/01" Looks like this guy has lowered the page to a new level I don't read about Intel CPUs blowing up left and right. That was and is a great rarity. It happens too often with the Athlons. Granted, most of them are caused by users, but I've seen too many cases of these things dying for no good reason not to believe the reliability standard is a bit lower than what we were used to a few years back. That's hardly the major problem, though." Amazing, the guy is on an overclockers page where Athlons get overclocked with rear window defroster repair kits, PCI busses overclocked, ram run out of spec, HSFs torn on and off by kids-cracking the edges of the CPU, HSFs held on with rubber bands because the retainers on the socket broke off, temperatures jacked way up and he thinks that Intel is more stable? What a dufus. Fact is that relatively no one is overclocking the Pentiums. First because you can't alter the multiplier and secondly they are more expensive.

To: Paul Engel who wrote (38771)	5/9/2001 10:46:32 PM
From: stribe30	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

There is extreme irony in quoting an overclocking site's opinion about AMD breaking into the business world - a place where overclocking isnt even thought about.

To: Paul Engel who wrote (38771)	5/9/2001 10:50:53 PM
From: Charles R	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 275872

<A good read !> A good laugh, you mean. Even Dell is not talking about AMD being an unstable platform anymore. No one really published good data on this stuff but top reviewers like Anand, Sharky and TOm don't complain about AMD or VIA reliability anymore. In fact, Anand stated he was having a problem getting most of the KT133A to fail once even after extending his stress tests from 24 to 48 hours.

To: Paul Engel who wrote (38771)	5/9/2001 10:55:11 PM
From: Bill Jackson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Paul, Looks like Stroligo sold out to the dark side, or the foolish side. In my stores we get a few AMD parts back by overclockers or people who crack the die or who use white paste instead of phase change or silver heat paste. Since a lot more systems are put together by individuals who may not be optimal in their assembly technique. Few Intel systems are made this way. This in fact is a growing wave of people who do this and it is influencing the stores, more mobs and more and better power supplies. I just attended the AMD dog and pony show in Toronto for VARS and it was attended by nearly 1000 people from a few hundred miles around. repeat that by all the global dog and pony shows they are planning and there is going to be a huge increase in SD shop Athlons in the near future, say by the fall? They covered what they called the 7 deadly sins of SD shop assembly, I will not list them here, but they consist of obvious assembly errors to avoid, wrong power supply, wrong heat sink, chipping dies etc. www1.amd.com There were many component vendors there and it was an excellent effort by AMD in conjunction with assorted partners. Bill