To: gao seng who wrote (564 ) 5/10/2001 11:39:11 PM From: Mitch Blevins Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1112 That is about the weakest straw man argument I have ever seen.... I challenge you to point out exactly where I have constructed a strawman. I have not seen the need to construct intentionally weak forms of your arguments, as you seem to do that just fine by yourself. ;-) I suggest that you pick up a good book on informal logic before making inaccurate accusations of fallacies. A good one is:amazon.com Did you even know about ring species before that article? Do you know what causes the phenomena? Exactly which category of speciation do ring species fall in? How many types of equilibrium theories are there and how do they affect the argument? What about gradulism vs peaks and troughs and entropy? Did you get the book I suggested? If so, you would see that this is a good example of an "Ad Hominem" attack.The debate is contentious, but I am willing to discuss it. But only in a civil manner. And in a different thread. I noticed there is an Evolution thread on SI. But I am not anticipating allocating material resources to it, if any. Very well, we do not need to debate the existence of speciation any more. :)But frankly, I do not think speciation is important as an explanation on whether or not there is a God. It only becomes important if the Argument from Design is used: "How can there not be a designer with all these complex, purposeful species!" Because it helps to establish an alternate explanation for the Design. Otherwise, I would agree with you that it is irrelevant. A God could just as easily evolve the species as create them instantaneously. Heck, He could even plant the evidence for evolution to trick us and we would be none the wiser... Thanks for the quantum research/conciousness link. I'll check it out. Cheers, -Mitch