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To: Lane3 who wrote (13475)	5/11/2001 2:51:28 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Excuses are abusable. They may also be legitimate. If I am delayed due to a traffic jam out of my control or beyond reasonable calculation, there is an excuse for my tardiness...... Well, I think you are making a Humptey Dumptey distinction, but I suppose it is not worth much more argument......

To: Lane3 who wrote (13475)	5/11/2001 2:53:30 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

The word, immoral, should stand for something more focused, not be a catch-all for all less than desirable thoughts, attitudes, and behaviors. Karen, I believe some people (not pointing at you nor anyone in particular) confuse the concept of immoral--with harmfulness. Either may involve the other, but not necessarily so. I believe that morality only involves actions toward others; but I see it being referred to in self choices. What I do only to myself can never be immoral, because every person's thought of their own good or their own self interest, is subjective and personal. You can sleep in your hammock your whole life. And you can eat red meat and pop percodan. There is nothing immoral about it. People are not immoral because they do not meet someone elses standards of personal conduct or choices. Playing golf 8 hours a day does not make me immoral. Kicking the ball to win the game and the money, does <g>

To: Lane3 who wrote (13475)	5/11/2001 3:32:43 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 82486

The word, immoral, should stand for something more focused, not be a catch-all for all less than desirable thoughts, attitudes, and behaviors. If you want a catch-all, just use the word, wrong. IMO. I usually do use the word wrong, but it's definition is even broader, and more of a catch-all because it includes the factually incorrect rather then just the morally incorrect. Bad is another broad word because it includes the practical non good as well as the moral not good. The traditional meaning of immoral doesn't include all undesirable thoughts, attidtudes, and behaviors, only those that are thought to be morally wrong. Of course people differ greatly in what they consider to be morally wrong, and usually that is still a pretty broad class. Perhaps it would be useful to have another word to refer to the type of moral infractions that you consider immoral, but I can't think of one at the moment and I doubt any neologism we invent will catch on. Tim