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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Scumbria who wrote (144700)	5/11/2001 4:50:12 PM
From: calgal	Respond to of 769670

Bill Clinton: A Knight's Tale Friday, May 11, 2001 NEW YORK — President Clinton. Ex-President Clinton. Now, Sir Clinton? London political circles are abuzz Friday over reports that Britain's Prime Minister, Tony Blair, is grappling with whether or not to let the Queen of England bestow an honorary knighthood on former President Bill Clinton. London's Daily Telegraph reports Friday that Blair may have the Queen lay the customary sword on Clinton's shoulders, but the Labour Party standard-bearer is worried that such a move could harm his relations with Republican President George W. Bush. Former President Clinton, who enjoys good relations with Blair and was even rumored to be a potential godfather to Blair's new son, Leo, continues to call the Prime Minister and may visit with him soon. AP British Prime Minister Tony Blair "Clinton usually makes the call and they chat about all sorts of things," a Democratic source told the Telegraph. "They are still 'Third Way' buddies and everyone in the Labour Party was devastated when Bush beat Al Gore." Bush has talked to Blair on the phone five times since assuming the presidency, and British officials have described the encounters as "all good, constructive stuff" and "built on informality, civility and willingness to help," the Telegraph said. And members of the Bush camp say that relations between the two leaders have been strong. One Bush aide said: "They get on because their two countries have mutual interests. It's no more or less than that," the Telegraph said. A spokeswoman from Clinton's office said that, as of this point in time, "the president would not be receiving knighthood." The spokeswoman said that if an official announcement were to happen, news of it would not come via "a leak to the Telegraph." Clinton has been globe-hopping and, according to some commentators, attempting to rebuild a reputation tarnished by both his affair with a White House intern and the questionable last-minute pardons he handed down before leaving office. It is thought by some that reception of a knighthood would help the efforts to rehabilitate his image. Conservatives in the United States who were often critical of the former president for his indiscretions find folly in a possible knighthood for Clinton. The editor of the conservative National Review Online, Jonah Goldberg, says that "while Blair can do whatever he wants, and it's always good when our allies show their gratitude, if Bill Clinton can be a knight, then chivalry really is dead." In medieval times, the knight was an armed warrior on horseback, part of the permanent military class that characterized the feudal systems of Europe. Knighthood was earned through some exploit involving weapons such as swords. In modern Britain, knighthood is not a title of nobility, but can be awarded for civil or military achievements to both commoners and those of noble descent . A knight is addressed with the title "Sir." Today it has become customary for former U.S. Presidents to be knighted. Both Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush were so honored after they left office. foxnews.com

To: Scumbria who wrote (144700)	5/11/2001 4:52:54 PM
From: Mana	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

"As prices rise, people will learn to quit wasting so much electricity. They could get by with 1/2 of the electricity currently consumed. Half of the offices in San Jose leave their lights on 24 hours a day" I have no problem with that. Conservation is important, but so is new production. I don't remember Clinton being too keen on that idea. - Mana

To: Scumbria who wrote (144700)	5/11/2001 6:29:14 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

As prices rise, people will learn to quit wasting so much electricity. They could get by with 1/2 of the electricity currently consumed. Half of the offices in San Jose leave their lights on 24 hours a day. 1. Residents of San Jose/Silicon Valley are among the smartest people in the world according to sum. 2. These people voted 2-1 for Gore I rest my case. Intelligence is not a virtue and inventions do not equal civilization. Why limit production of energy, why not limit the water, it is much more a limit on civilization than any other single item. When you get down to this it is much easier to control everything else, like whether you can have a pool (no!), a spa (hell, no!), or an extra bathroom (permitted process aka graft).