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To: w0z who wrote (46676)5/13/2001 2:18:12 PM
From: Kirk ©  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 70976
 
Funny how you mention this... I wrote this earlier today:

WARNING TO THE PC WORD POLICE... The "G" word in mentioned ONLY to show what my friend overcame.

Message 15794045

To:Mr. BSL who wrote (14148)
From: Kirk Sunday, May 13, 2001 1:04 PM
Respond to of 14149

It is NOT about how much you spend on education that matters. It is all about how highly the parents value the education.
I still can't get over how the refuges from Vietnam that came to our area in the 1970's and 1980's had so many turn out to be great engineers and other contributors to society. I have a friend that escaped from Vietnam with just the gold in his teeth and the clothes on his back when he was a teen. People here back then called him a "gook" as it was so close to the war. He spoke no English but went to live with a cousin, learned English and eventually got into UC Berkeley and is now a successful engineer helping others in his family make it. Racism, poverty AND a language barrier and yet many like him got over it in a single generation. I have a friend from Taiwan that lives in a $3M home. She has a 22 yr old niece that came over to live and the niece is expected to learn English at adult school while working in a grocery store for $8 an hour. ALL are EXPECTED to do the best they can even if the money isn't needed.

Anyway, somewhere many Americans lost or never developed the desire to get educated to succeed. Some say it is because they lost hope...perhaps it is true but I think it is because the penalty for failure was removed with public housing projects and welfare. The new welfare to work has really turned around East Palo Alto...

FWIW

BTW, we had 33 kids in my 2nd grade class and we got a good education. NOW we only allow 20 kids in a class (MUCH more expensive) and the kids are not scoring as well on tests I am told.... Perhaps kids were better behaved due to more parental concern so a teacher could teach a larger class? BTW, my mom worked and many others did in the 1960's... so that excuse isn't valid. I still like to blame the lousy parents that find it easier to blame the schools and throw other people's tax dollars at solving the problem of rotten parenting.



To: w0z who wrote (46676)5/13/2001 11:17:07 PM
From: norm chin  Respond to of 70976
 
"It's their parents and values instilled that make the difference."

Absolutely, Bill. I have much to thank my mother for.

When I came to the States, I was pretty much penniless. For 3 1/2 years,
I struggled with 2 majors in college and 2 part-time jobs. Without her
unconditional support (her encouragement in particular), I would
have done less well and it would have taken me longer to graduate
and settle down.