To: pbull who wrote (502 ) 5/13/2001 9:34:14 AM From: Sig Respond to of 13815 Technical question for the thread: Using Qbasic language, one can manipulate data as follows: Write a program to 'Read' data and then use it many ways This requires building a "File" of "data" which can be "Opened" and then Read. The lines of data in the data file must look like following examples:... 1. Data,101,134,147,199, 9999. 2. Data 2,5,8,1,6,8, 9999 OK, we can look at historic stocks prices at various URL's, but I have never found a way to 'read' those prices and thus create a Qbasic data file and best info I have is it can't be done. But a person can print out the page and then type in the figures manually in data lines for qbasic. And thats the work I am trying to avoid. I wrote programs for horse data for many years, and its amazing what one can do using Qbasic programs Starting with a few 100's lines of code, it can write its own betting program with thousands of lines and improve it to the optimum depending on what you ask for-which is the critical part. I was using a 25mh Dell in 1993 for the purpose and the job could take all night to run . Today a 1.5gh computer would finish it in BLLAMMMOOO. -------------------------------------------. One reason for discussing this is I feel we as individual investors are "in deep" in competing with modern program traders, as I am at least dimly aware of what can be done with data and modern computers, and if one can imagine something happening it is highly likely that someone is doing it. I can picture how they can play off the airlines versus the fuel prices versus the truck industry versus gold versus the Yen and the long bond and come up with a near-guaranteed win. LTCM did it, Bob Citron did it, and part of Mr Greenspans (the Fed) function is to make sure that no single organization ends up with all the marbles to the detriment of the investing community and the country. Could be part of Bill Gates problem(G) IMO the Japanese debacle was the result of banks taking all the marbles away from individuals, leaving nothing to keep the game going. It is not clear in the US whether that is true- when you consider the credit card debt, the price of gas, electricity,medicines, taxes, it will be difficult for anybody to move up the ladder. And the assets of most people I know have been set back to 1998 -a lost 3 years. Mr Greenspan and Pres. Bush both talk as though they realize its necessary to leave money for the common man to invest and the reduction in tax rates will help. Can they convince individual banks to back off a bit on their interest charges -esp on credit cards.? I don't expect brokers to to back off on IPO profits. They will still go for every dollar, if they get the IPO for $10/sh and can sell for $100 the next day they won't turn down the offer. Its not their nature (G) After the tanking of the Nas, the main action today is trading between fund managers, with one trying to bluff the other especially with the big-cap stocks. With the result that daily news and analysts comments are untrustworthy and often produce unexpected moves in the stock price. Therefore I rate csco,orcl,emc,dell,msft, etc difficult to deal with on a daily basis and not worth messing with since there is plenty of opportunity elsewhere. Sig ( rambling on the range) f