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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (13538)	5/13/2001 4:39:42 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

It is easy to dwell on the Caste system , but India being a democracy for scarcely 1/2 a century ... perhaps we may have to revisit that issue , say in another 250 years <G> They are quite a brilliant people , Neo...producing some of the finest minds on the planet. The idea of loss of self as a goal, even if the result is infinite bliss, does not comport with my sense of the proper disposition of things. I rather find it interesting that many of the very great discoveries made by many in both science and the arts have often been in just a state such as this... Your characterization of Buddhist's and Hindu's as hysterical Nirvana & Samahdi seekers , scurrying around nihilistically is OK ......if it makes you feel better. Just what is the goal of heaven then ? What is Baptism? I believe in an infinite gap between Creator and Creature, that can only be bridged through the benevolence of the Creator. That may mean that I have limited understanding, of course... Let's just keep that gap intact , right Neo? There is no capacity to bridge it ... so let's leave it in the hands of those who are " in the know " , and have the largest land deeds and propaganda machine, and have built the most impressive latest Pyramids... I suppose that is safest....but it really isn't the reality any longer .

To: Neocon who wrote (13538)	5/13/2001 5:57:41 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Nice little series on C-Span now , on great writers and thinkers in America . Just recently this week finished covering Emerson and Thoreau together , in a lengthy 2 hr program. Interesting to think of the underlying force of the thought of Emerson , that unlike your idea of "an infinite gap between Creator and Creature, that can only be bridged through the benevolent Creator. Emerson was in direct juxtapositon to your "mystical" belief in the " hopelessness of man " it seems. If you are to believe that these two fine examples of American thought still are very much alive and running their course underneath the currents of present day American Culture and spirit... That there is within the capacity of each soul to find the tools neccessary to fathom for itself the meanings and messages that life would convey. If one approaches it with enthuisiasm , industry, sacrifice , and approaches each day as one with immeasurable promise. Presenting much of Emerson's thoughts was the Author of " Mind on Fire " , Robert D Richardson 2think.org Richardson summarizes what he thinks Emerson's philosophy was as follows: The days are gods. Creation is continuous. There is no other world; this one is all there is. Every day is the day of judgment. The purpose of life is individual self-cultivation, self-expression, and fulfillment. Poetry (Emerson's definition which isn't what you are probably thinking of) liberates. Thought is also free. The powers of the soul are commensurate with its needs; each new day challenges us with its adequacy and our own. Fundamental perceptions are intuitive and inarguable; all important truths, whether of physics or ethics, must at last be self-evident. Nothing great is ever accomplished without enthusiasm. Life is an ecstasy; Thoreau has it right when he says, "Surely joy is the condition of life." Criticism and commentary, if they are not in the service of enthusiasm and ecstasy, are idle at best, destructive at worst. Your work, as Ruskin says, should be the praise of what you love. He continues by saying that Emerson had "an almost intolerable awareness that every morning began with infinite promise. Any book may be read, any idea thought, any action taken. Anything that has ever been possible to human beings is possible to most of us every time the clock says six in the morning. On a day no different from the one now breaking, Shakespeare sat down to begin Hamlet and Fuller began her history of the Roman revolution of 1848. Each of us has all the time there is; each accepts those invitations he can discern. By the same token, each evening brings a reckoning of infinite regret for the paths refused, openings not seen, and actions not taken." I wonder if there is still power and force in these ideas to shape the minds and thoughts of our youth today ? These were original thinkers , the first of a breed this land produced , after the founding fathers. Interesting they turned naturally to transcendentalism of the East ...that stresses a "life that is luminous", if so realized. as if they saw something much more in accordance with Truth , than what hopeless liturgies were still being taught...from out of the "Old Book ". What do you think Neo ? Just more false prophets ?