To: Neocon who wrote (13581 ) 5/15/2001 9:18:05 AM From: epicure Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486 Why is that shallow? Wisdom, it seems to me, can be acquired in many ways. Some people are simply born "wiser" than other people. Some people are born with such gentle tempers and kind natures they seem very wise with or without study. On the other hand I have met people who have studied for years who seem very stupid to me. Of course all such judgments are bound to be subjective, but I don't see how thinking that originality may lead to wisdom is shallow. It is different from the way you think, perhaps, but shallow? I suppose it could be shallow if believed in by someone who had not contemplated it- but that is true of any ideas. If thought upon deeply, and held by someone of character and intelligence, who had fully meditated upon it, how is that idea of wisdom any more shallow than any other belief? And this strikes me as rather odd. Why should living joyously be shallow? Most religions (not merely persons who are Transcedentalists) sell the notion of joy. Joy is one of the deep and universally desired states mankind (or so it seems to me). Even Christians wish for the joy that passeth understanding. Life without joy, or the hope of joy, is a pretty sad and dull affair (or so it seems to me). I can see how you might think it was a bit delusional to look for joy when one had "grievous ills", but why would it be shallow? Is it also shallow when a Christian tries to look forward to death, that they may meet their God? Or when Christians glory in their troubles since they are trials sent by God, to test them (and God tests those he loves best). I never thought of this sort of thinking as shallow. Strange, but not shallow. They seem the same sort of thing- I am wondering if both are equally shallow. I am not seeing the shallowness. But I DO appreciate it being in your own words, and the brevity was stunning.