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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (135153)	5/15/2001 6:06:33 PM
From: Joe NYC	Respond to of 186894

T, Agreed on overclocking. It is just not worth it, if the conputer is being used for something productive, rather than just games. Even less so no that AMD forced a more or less linear pricing on the industry. Back in the days of Intel dictating the price, there was some incentive to buy a Celeron 300 or 366 and run it at 450 or 550 MHz, when Celeron was < $100 and equivalent P2 was $600 or so. Joe

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (135153)	5/15/2001 6:16:06 PM
From: andreas_wonisch	Respond to of 186894

Tench, Re: These days, if I were to try overclocking again, I'd be more than happy with 20%. I can overclock my 1 GHz AXIA Athlon to 1.33 GHz without even raising the voltage (with an 0.05V increase it runs up to 1.4 GHz). It runs hours of Quake III, Prime 95, SETI@Home and other very demanding tasks fine. Prime 95 even has a built in error-check, so it immediately detects any errors (of course it detects none). This CPU is certainly not a "real" 1 GHz part and there are many of these on the market (e.g. all AXIA cores). These days it's hard to proof if a certain CPU is a downbined part or really rated at the given clock-speed. In the old Slot A days you could easily check if your CPU was downbined, you just had to open the case and look at the CPU die. There were many reports of e.g. Athlons 700 which turned out to be 800 MHz and greater parts. There is certainly downbining going on, especially at the lower end of the offered clock-speeds. This hold true for both AMD and Intel (especially Celeron). Andreas