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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (135319)	5/17/2001 4:16:13 AM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Ten - Intel and HP - Collaborate on Intel Architecture for Telecommunications. "HP plans to build Intel® Architecture-based carrier-grade server solutions for converging voice and data networks. The two companies said they have opened a joint telecommunications solutions center in Grenoble, France. " AMD must be left out in the cold ! biz.yahoo.com Thursday May 17, 3:20 am Eastern Time Press Release Intel, HP to Enable Telco Innovation Companies to Accelerate Telecommunications Solutions Development Through Carrier-Grade Servers, Solution Center, Investments, Blade Computing Standards Efforts AMSTERDAM, The Netherlands--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 17, 2001-- Intel Corporation and Hewlett-Packard Company (NYSE:HWP - news) announced today an expanded focus to meet the needs of telecommunications companies (telcos) and service providers. HP plans to build Intel® Architecture-based carrier-grade server solutions for converging voice and data networks. The two companies said they have opened a joint telecommunications solutions center in Grenoble, France. In addition, the companies will earmark equity investment funds for the telecommunications sector and champion Compact PCI (cPCI), a vital standard for next generation blade computing systems. ``Our efforts combine the strengths of HP as a premier solutions provider for telecommunication and computing companies with Intel's world-class building block products and open computing model,'' said Mike Fister, vice president and general manager of Intel's Enterprise Platforms Group. ``Intel Architecture uniquely delivers the flexibility, choice, performance and lower investment costs to address the telecommunications solution market.'' ``HP is pleased to endorse the advantages of open systems and industry standard Intel Architecture powered solutions for current and next generation service providers. Intel and HP enable telcos and service providers with products, services and solutions that will lead to faster service delivery, with leading price, performance and reliability for their critical network infrastructures,'' said Rich Raimondi, vice president and general manager of HP's Service Provider and Mobile/Wireless Solutions Organization. HP intends to build robust communication systems based on Intel Architecture building blocks for use in converging high-speed, high traffic voice and data networks. The systems -- known as carrier-grade servers -- are used by telcos, service providers and large corporations to run a wide range of innovative wired and wireless applications such as software-enabled switches (soft switches), unified messaging services and call centers. The Internet and telecommunications data center in Grenoble, France will provide telecom independent software vendors (ISVs), service providers and their enterprise customers with a proving ground to test and tune existing solutions that are transitioning to the Intel Architecture. Applications that will be targeted include network supervision, billing, call centers and unified messaging for delivery of e-mail, fax and voice over Internet protocol. Additionally, the solutions center offers a portfolio of pre-integrated, ready-to-use software solutions that can be used to accelerate telecom service development. Current offerings include service provider-in-a-box, Web server, wireless (WAP) application and auto deployment solutions. HP and Intel will make equity investments in certain ISVs and service providers that are developing Intel Architecture-based telecom applications serving the next generation network for both wireline and wireless markets. Examples of two such investments include Solid Tech and Netsanity. As members of the PCI Industrial Computer Manufacturers Group (PICMG) standards body, HP and Intel recognize the importance of the cPCI standard and are evaluating areas of contribution to the specification for use in future blades computing systems. This technology enables modular single-board-computers (blades) to be housed within an open chassis and provides greater density of computing than traditional architectures. Use of cPCI standard blades servers allows customers to take advantage of a large ecosystem of solution providers to protect their investments versus more expensive, proprietary approaches. Today's announcement extends recent efforts of the two companies and builds upon HP's server appliance strategy to offer telcos and service providers the broadest range of server appliances in the industry. Several of these server appliances combine the high performance and versatility of Intel Architecture enhanced with HP's high-quality service and support. About HP Hewlett-Packard Company -- a leading global provider of computing and imaging solutions and services -- is focused on making technology and its benefits accessible to individuals and businesses through simple appliances, useful e-services and solutions for an Internet infrastructure that's always on. HP had total revenue from continuing operations of $48.8 billion in its 2000 fiscal year. Information about HP and its products can be found on the World Wide Web at www.hp.com. About Intel Intel, the world's largest chipmaker, is also a leading manufacturer of computer, networking and communications products. Additional information about Intel is available at www.intel.com/pressroom. Note to Editors: Third party marks and brands are property of their respective holders. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contact: Intel Corporation Bill Kircos, 408/765-9919 bill.kircos@intel.com or Hewlett-Packard Company Michelle Stribling, 408/447-5573 michelle_stribling@hp.com

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (135319)	5/18/2001 6:37:12 PM
From: THE WATSONYOUTH	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Unless those Athlon systems were Palominos, I don't see why Mr. McComas expected any throttling in the first place, given that T-bird doesn't have a thermal diode. I think the point is, (according to his tests) the P4 did throttle indicating an active throttling mechanism. Now, the very strong implication is that had Intel not provided this throttling mechanism, something very bad (lock up/system crash) might have happened. Remember, this was not software specifically designed to tax and crash the processor. This was Quake3. Do you agree with this?? Please answer this specific question. Also, he claimed the Athlon systems under similar testing conditions did not show any throttling which is expected since these systems have no active means of throttling. But, it is also clear that the systems did not lock up or crash either. It will interesting to perform the same tests on higher MHz Palominos. Also, it seems the throttling went away with one of three trivial fixes. Give me a break. It was clear from the article, that this throttling was seen on more than one system and processor. He also made it clear that the throttling mechanism seemed to vary quite a bit among different systems and processors. Funny you should mention that, since I honestly can't tell the difference between 60 FPS and anything higher. And I don't think anyone else can tell the difference, either Again, you didn't respond to my point. The point was that, according to his tests, the throttling mechanism kicked in with even of the shelf software. This was not any exotic benchmarking application specifically designed to test the stability of the processor. Given this, do you now think that this throttling issue is more of a concern and must be understood?? However, there are plenty of people out there who will be using Pentium 4 workstations for hefty-duty applications running 24/7. Surely these people would be the first to notice any instance of throttling, no? I'm sure my coworkers and I would, given that we'll soon be getting 1.7 GHz P4 Linux boxes for running our simulations 24/7. Well, I think any CTO worth his salt would want to fully understand this throttling issue BEFORE he committed a large IT purchase for P4 workstations. Personally, I'd drag Intel in and force them to explain in excruciating detail how and why this throttling takes place. I'd want to see demonstrations of it occurring on both Intel test applications as well as on my internal applications. I'd want to have a reasonably clear picture of the implications of this clock throttling mechanism to the overall decision of going with these P4 systems. Of course, I'd do the same with competitive systems. I don't see where Intel mentions this possible clock throttling mechanism and its implications anywhere in its marketing of these systems. If I was a corporate CTO, I wouldn't want to be the first to find out. THE WATSONYOUTH