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To: pgerassi who wrote (136953)	5/18/2001 12:41:02 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579874

All of those SUVs, large vans (who needs a van that hauls 15 to 21 people around really?) My parents have owned 15 seat vans for about 20 years. But then most people don't have 11 kids. Tim

To: pgerassi who wrote (136953)	5/18/2001 1:35:23 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1579874

The only nitwits are those who bash plans without reading them. You do not know how much energy this nation consumes. You ever look at the consumption figures? Pete, I know how much we consume and that's why there is so much room to conserve. CNBC has had this Saudi prince on for the past week...he claims he "lives reasonably" which includes 100 cars, 14 elevators in his house, and a boat that costs 6 million a year to maintain while he only uses it two weeks out of the year. I suspect he would be aghast if he was told to cut back. Similarly, I think that's how many Americans feel when told they may have to conserve energy. We are one of the biggest consumers of energy as well as one of the most wasteful in the world.....we are piglets much like the Saudi prince. Only difference is is that we are short of energy and we need to cut back. Conservation is just not possible beyond a certain point. If you keep turning your thermostat down every winter more and more to conserve, soon you would have burst pipes, and lose a lot more money. Pete, listen real carefully.....you live on a small planet with finite resources and a hugely growing population. Deal with it.....I did not make up the rules. If you wanted to be a proliferate or a spendthrift, you should have been born in the 19th Century. ted

To: pgerassi who wrote (136953)	5/18/2001 9:30:08 PM
From: Alan Hume	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1579874

Hi Pete, an interesting mail you posted. Everything you say about the wastefulness of SUV's is correct. But I disagree with your comments about household energy savings. Energy conservation starts with higher efficiencies. In other words saving energy by achieving the same result at the cost of less energy. For example, good insulation contributes to major savings: It much cheaper to circulate and filter air than it is to maintain an artificial temperature (the airline industry knows all about this) We do not need nearly 3 gallons of water to flush the toilet, 2 is sufficient, we do not need a tumble dryer to dry the washing in 30 minutes. Hanging it on the line for a few hours like our mothers did is for free.An efficient washing machine washes a load using about 12 gallons of water, about half of what the average one requires. But the problem is that good insulation and efficient gadgets cost money, and as long as energy os cheap, Joe Average is not prepared to pay for it. Your argument that we need to produce more energy will merely keep energy prices low and therefor not be productive. America has always been the land of plenty, and I feel that "conservation" is a relative new entry in Webster's Good luck Alan