To: E. Davies who wrote (2320 ) 5/18/2001 11:11:23 PM From: Bilow Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 24758 Hi E. Davies; Re: " I have no claim to be an expert in superconductors, but I would assume that they still must have some finite resistance. If so the power dissapated in the wire generates heat. Finally- power is a function of voltage. " Delivered power = V * I. (Let's take a DC case, and be simple.) Voltage drop = R * I. Applied power = V*I + (R*I)*I = V*I + R*I^2. Power dissipation in a wire of resistance R carrying current I is R*I^2. There is no (direct) voltage dependence. Re: "One could jump to the conclusion that the problem above a certain current density is localized heating- in that I'm just guessing. Do you know? " Since superconductors have no resistance, there is no heating, not even "localized" heating. If it was a matter of heating, it would have a more complicated form than Jc, as it would depend on how quickly heat could be conducted away from the superconductor. In other words, if there was a localized heating issue, the Jc factor would be lower for thicker superconductors than for thinner ones. If you don't trust my reasoning here, I'm happy to find links for you, but you can find them yourself with a few key strokes. Re: "In the big picture Ah is right- technology is nowhere close to economically sending power through superconducting wires. Thats probably many lifetimes away, and if someone said it's not then likely he's an idiot. " I agree that at the moment, superconductors are only the cheapest way to move large amounts of current around in a relatively small number of areas. But the same could be said of any other new technology in our history. When internal combustion was new it wasn't practical to use it to propel vehicles accross the country. Early computers weren't practical as control units for microwave ovens. Etc. The basic fact is that ahhaha is clueless about what superconductors are, what their physical limitation are (note his vacuous reply here: #reply-15822743 ) and is not in a position to be accurately assessing where the technology is going. That said, I am certain that most of the people out there drumming for money from investors are scam artists, but that is a story that could be told about any other stock story in these bubble years. But lets get back to the statement that ahhaha made that I was responding to: ahhaha, May 18, 2001 Superconductors are only appropriate in micro electronic circuitry where the watt per unit conduit cross section is small. ... #reply-15820392 The best counter example to this statement is the fact that superconducting magnets are routinely used in various medical equipment. Here's a link:Medical Museum - The Trail of Invisible Light: A Century of Medical Imaging ... For instance, Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI), perfected only in the 1980s, employs a superconducting magnet and computer-controlled radio-waves to generate images of inaccessible soft tissues; these images can be used to diagnose sports injuries, brain lesions, and spinal traumas. ... uihealthcare.com Englewood Hospital and Medical Center ... Our Open MRI is an advanced superconducting MRI that is open on all sides. This differs from the traditional form of MRI, which requires patients to lie inside an open-ended cylinder. ... englewoodhospital.com And how much power do these MRI magnets manipulate???How Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) Works Todd A. Gould, RT-(R)(MR)(ARRT)(LOL!)...There are three basic types of magnets used in MRI systems * Resistive magnets consist of many windings or coils of wire wrapped around a cylinder or bore through which an electric current is passed. This causes a magnetic field to be generated. If the electricity is turned off, the magnetic field dies out. These magnets are lower in cost to construct than a superconducting magnet, but require huge amounts of electricity (up to 50 kilowatts ) to operate because of the natural resistance in the wire. To operate this type of magnet above about the 0.3 Tesla level would be prohibitively expensive. * A permanent magnet is just that - permanent. Its magnetic field is always there and always on full strength, so it costs nothing to maintain the field. The major drawback is that these magnets are extremely heavy - many, many tons in weight at the 0.4 Tesla level. A stronger field would require a magnet so heavy it would be difficult to construct . Permanant magnets are getting smaller, but are still limited to low field strengths. * Superconducting magnets are by far the most commonly used . A superconducting magnet is somewhat similar to a resistive magnet - coils or windings of wire through which a current of electricity is passed create the magnetic field. The important difference is that the wire is continually bathed in liquid helium at 452.4 degrees below zero. Yes, when you are inside the MRI machine, you are surrounded by a substance that is that cold! Don't worry, it is very well insulated by a vacuum in a manner identical to that used in a vacuum flask . This almost unimaginable cold causes the resistance in the wire to be drop to zero, reducing the electrical requirement for the system dramatically and making it much more economical to operate. Superconductive systems are very expensive, but they can easily generate 0.5 Tesla to 2 Tesla fields, allowing for much higher quality imaging. ... howstuffworks.com For further references, see:google.com -- Carl P.S. At least you provide comments are worth posting to. When ahhaha makes a silly statement, he never retracts, but instead makes vacuous posts.