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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Greg or e who wrote (13812)5/20/2001 2:16:07 PM
From: 2MAR$  Respond to of 82486
 
" Biblical Nihilists ...The Bible has shown its historicity in repeated finds "

More Biblical HIstory ?

You might also like to revisit Jeffery Scheler's
major piece in US News on :

"In Search Of Christmas "
usnews.com

" Imagine a purer, less commercial, more
spiritual Christmas------>But don't call it history .... "


Most widely held is the view that the holiday was an intentional "Christianization" of Saturnalia and other pagan festivals. In the third and fourth centuries, the church in Rome found itself in fierce competition with popular pagan religions and mystery cults, most of them involving sun worship. From the middle of December through the first of January, Romans would engage in feasts and drunken revelry, paying homage to their gods and marking the winter solstice, when days began to lengthen. In A.D. 274, Emperor Aurelian decreed December 25--the solstice on the Julian calendar--as natalis solis invicti ("birth of the invincible sun"), a festival honoring the sun god Mithras. In designating December 25 as the date for their Nativity feast, says Restad of the University of Texas, Rome's Christians "challenged paganism directly." They also were able to invoke rich biblical symbolism that described Jesus as the "Sun of Righteousness" and God's "true light," sent to dispel darkness in the world. "

Whatever their reasons, by assigning Christmas to late December, when people already were accustomed to celebrating, church leaders ensured widespread observance of the Savior's birth. But in doing so, says Nissenbaum, the church also "tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been." As one historian put it: "The pagan Romans became Christians--but the Saturnalia remained."


So , how much else did they "slightly make up" and adjust?

That the wisdom and sophistry inculcated into
these Gospels , have every ring of a wonder~story
of a mysterious wandering Hero/Teacher/Mystic/Sophist ,
who appears out of nowhere , telling parables and
disseminating stories that were seeded with
the wisdom of the Greek , Persian, Roman,
philosophy and the creme of the Jewish , Egyptian ,
and Zoroastrian ...
even Indian/Buddhist/Hindu beliefs that preceded ,
all rapt into one.

A story born out of a self-fullfilling desire
of all the peoples in the world at that time
that had wearied of endless wars
and longed so desperately
for the Messiah or Sun King to come.
So one was created.

Have you heard of Aesop's Fables ?
Ulysses ? Hercules ? Zoroaster ? Hamlet ?
Cyrano De Begrerac ?

So Greg , never once did one of the
disciples ask of
their Master :

" Where were you born Master" ?
"When were you Born Master" ?

...and never bother to mention it once
in at least one of
these " Gospels "?

Think about it for awhile ...you are travelling along ,
with a man you revere , for months on the
tracks in solitary places in the desert ,
and during those many nights together,
not one of the fellows asked:
"where & when were you born"
Master ?...

regards

Mars