To: dale_laroy who wrote (135957 ) 5/23/2001 1:37:57 PM From: tcmay Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894 Re: Political debate in the Intel thread Dale writes: "In general, I have to agree with this. It would be nice if the monitors could shunt political subthreads to their own independent thread. At times I like to read the political postings, but wish there were some way to identify them as such before accessing them." I'm leery of "monitors" (who are they? I see no signs they are here) deciding where articles should go. Clearly shunting an article into a thread that is not being read by others is the same as simply killing it completely. The problem lies with the lack of tools for subthreading by the users. "Recently, I have found that the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff is to find a posting with a promising entry line then, upon verifying it is a worthwhile topic, follow it back to the root and from their forward through the responses." I've done this as well. The problem is a tree problem: Following a thread back from Alice to Bob to Charles to Dave to Edward and then reading _forwards_ only catches the Edward-Dave-Charles-Bob-Alice branch of the tree, but misses the Edward-Dorenda-Cindy branch and the Edward-Dave-Charles-Bill branch, etc. The problem is a lack of true threading tools. In several other fora I'm in, even Web-based fora, there are tools for expanding and collapsing messages in a particular thread (subthread in the context of mega-threads like "Intel"), outine style. I had these tools in 1988 with "trn" (threaded news reader) and then with "tin" and "Newswatcher" and "Thoth" and all of my other threaded news readers. I hope someone at SI is doing development on better tools. What exist here are nothing more than at the level of IRC Chat tools. --Tim May