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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (1434)	5/25/2001 12:33:03 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 23908

Attacks by Palestinians continue despite truce By Margot Dudkevitch jpost.com JERUSALEM (May 25 ) - Since Israel's announcement of a cease-fire on Tuesday night, there have been over 40 attacks directed at Israeli soldiers and civilians, including the death of Modi'in resident Asher Iluz gunned down by Palestinian terrorists near Ariel on Wednesday afternoon. Palestinians reported that soldiers shot and killed an 11-year-old deaf boy named Shadi Siyam near Rafah yesterday and wounded two others during gun battles between Palestinians and soldiers in the area. Siyam is the first Palestinian to be killed since Israel announced a cease-fire. An IDF officer was lightly wounded by shrapnel after a bomb was detonated and shots fired at soldiers operating on the Israeli-Egyptian border near Rafah. The officer was treated at a nearby army base. Gun battles between the sides in the Rafah area continued throughout the afternoon. Yesterday morning Palestinians fired two mortar shells at Netzarim. Soldiers pursued the perpetrators into Area A and came under fire. The soldiers returned fire and later left the area without succeeding in capturing the perpetrators. Shots were also fired at the industrial zone at Neveh Dekalim, and bullets penetrated a truck but no one was injured. Police are seeking to determine the identity of a Palestinian man whose body was discovered near the village A-Dik yesterday, not far from Givon. Judea and Samaria Police spokesman Rafi Yafe said the Palestinian Police informed their Israeli counterparts after locals reported the body to them. At first police feared it might be the body of the missing Israeli contracter Yosef Alfassi, but discovered the Palestinian who Yafe said is around 30 and believed to be from the village El Jib. Last night shots were fired at soldiers posted at Rachel's Tomb, at Givat Hadagan, and a border police base near Bethlehem. Earlier shots were fired at an IDF vehicle as it traveled between the two tunnels on the Gush Etzion road. Earlier a bomb was thrown at soldiers near Beit Hadassah in Hebron. Yesterday morning shots were fired at an IDF vehicle near Halhoul and at Givat Oz north of Jenin.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (1434)	5/25/2001 9:47:18 AM
From: George Papadopoulos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

>Remember that there has NEVER been a Palestinian state. Take a look at all the new independent states in the world, it's about self determination. Too bad our administrations support than only when it's in our self interest, double standards. >So while we're talking about "justice", I would like to know when Israel will receive some from the Syrians and Jordanians, neither of which have entered into a formal peace treaty with Israel. Well, returning the Golan Heights will go very far in accomplishing this. >And btw, when was the last time you saw a Jew strap on a bomb, walk into a crowded marketplace or mall, and blow himself, and anyone around him, to pieces? First, I do not believe there is a mall that they can go to<g>. Besides, the Israeli army serves collective punishment daily. Don't take that as endorsement of the Palestinian tactics. But I do understand whey they are doing this. >Why hasn't the PA met its pledge to arrest all such terrorists? They indeed made great progress on this issue until they realized that Israel just wanted to keep negotiating. > Why is the PA police chief instead ordering mortar shells to be manufactured so they can be launched over the border into Israel? Well, knowing the famous torture tactics of the Israeli Mossad and police, what would you expect him to say?<g> >The bottom line is George, that Arafat has FAR MORE than he possessed during the Intifada (when Israelis were patrolling all of the West Bank). I agree with that. That should not stop Israel from making tougher compromises to achieve true peace. >That's 35,000 Palestinians walking around with AK-47s policing the PA during the day, and sniping at Israelis across the border on their off time. I know, there is too many of them...But, hey, it's a paycheck, they got to feed their families in some way. >And finally, who will reimburse the Israelis for all the economic investment they have made on the West Bank? Who will pay them back for connecting the Arabs to the electrical grid, and hooking them up with indoor plumbing? Oh, please. >And why does Israel owe the Palestinians an economic viable state? Can't they create one on their own as the Jews did? Well, it would be pretty tough to do it surrounded by such a strong military force relentlessly occupying them...And, besides, if Palestinians got half of what the Israelis get annually in aid (what is it, 5 billion now) I bet you they will have a pretty good chance in creating such a state (even with all of Arafat's cronyism, etc.) I forgot to state in my previous response outlining what constitutes true peace that Israel should be given guarantees of its security...It appears from the biased media that the Palestinians violated that but I do not agree. This is good dialogue, instead of ranting about carpet bombing a whole people like my Italian buddy suggests<g>