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To: craig crawford who wrote (7210)5/25/2001 7:21:35 PM
From: 16yearcycle  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 57684
 
"there are no pathogens that cause heart "disease"."

You should go back and read what I wrote.It supported your desire to eat a dozen eggs.

As far as
"no pathogens involved in heart disease," geez...

"helicobacter pilore" seems to be involved as a pathogen that creates the hole in the lumen of the blood vessel, allowing the deposition if cholesterol containing plaque to occur in the first place.

In addition, bacterial and viral endocarditis are not at all rare, and can occur from a simple tooth or gum infection. Also, implicated in heart disease are chlamydia and a whole host of other "intra-cellular" bacteria that behave very similar to the way a virus does: hijacking control of the cell itself, and creating a severe auto-immune response, as your immune system recognizes a foreigner, but has to kill the cell to get to it. Swelling and destruction occur, damaging the heart chambers, valves and walls. Plaque is then layed down.

It is thought that the plaquing occurs due to the roughened areas created by these infections, Craig. Poor diet can increase the chance of it occurring.

I am not sure how you misunderstood what I said about heart disease....high cholesterol correlates with heart disease and heart attack, but not a shortened life span. Period. To take it a step further, elevated cholesterol appears to be protective against arthritis and liver cancer in particular, but many other diseases too.



To: craig crawford who wrote (7210)5/26/2001 6:43:55 PM
From: Jill  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 57684
 
Craig, you're wrong. Pathogens are implicated very strongly in heart disease & many other chronic illnesses. Here's a nice debate about it by professional docs:

praxis.md

In any case, diet is important as well, it may change the terrain in which the pathogen would/could flourish.