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To: Eric L who wrote (11930)	5/26/2001 12:39:05 PM
From: foundation	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 34857

"...In reality, GPRS must succeed. If the industry does not get GPRS right then 3G could be seriously, perhaps fatally, wounded..." ---------- In reality, in the world of science, there is no reason that GPRS must succeed. If the industry does not get GPRS right, then 3G in Europe could be seriously.... wounded. But only in Europe. The remainder of the continents can, and will, do quite well without it.

To: Eric L who wrote (11930)	5/26/2001 12:55:28 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

ref Ian Channing, don't overextend yourself, Eric.. -GPRS is an incrementally _improved_ bearer technology, data packets for the backbone, "switches" (becoming routers),base stations, air interface and handsets. As well as billing, roaming and handover systems and the whole business idea. Nothing "simply" in that, except if one just looks at the air interface without really understanding even that. - who has bought a non-GPRS-updatable GSM system lately?? (or rather, who would produce something like that) - handset vendors, media blame, yes, blaming is always more fun and less demanding than informing. - This "overhyped" seem to be mostly of a strawman tactic, first construct ones own little "reality" and then have fun with it. Some say it has deep sexual reasons, some "dogging" ones, but shows a capability of creativity. - what kind of "actual gains" was/is GPRS supposed to achieve over "traditional circuit-switched data transmission" Would be polite to list the factors of that strawman and then analyze them, one by one, and all together. (without kind of sneaking in EDGE, and also mentioning HSCD, which he barely does, both) - traditional operators used to digging ditches, keeping switches up and running, etc.. Good point, but most operators have practiced billing for 900(? the sexual service ones) calls as well as internet. However, some have saved the investments of even billing by flat rating local calls, others have actually succeeded in setting up local internet routers to be able to sell DSL service, some even rent their copper wires,etc,etc.. As a good, constructive vendor, Nokia even offers their Nokia Club,business model analyzer, and the thought that operators maybe should not start investing in their own 900 services. Ilmarinen OK,OK, he could be much, much worse...