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To: Road Walker who wrote (136134)5/26/2001 3:28:45 PM
From: Tony Viola  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
John, you're doing a great job watch-dogging the "other" businesses that Intel is into. Hopefully, somebody with influence might be reading? Of course, microprocessors only won't give us the growth to which we've become accustomed over the years, but the other lines have to ultimately fish or cut bait, as GE requires. Here's another new product line, to be introduced later this year. I don't think the article's been posted here. I know a fair amount about NEBs servers and qualifying for the business. You have to offer up one or two early in your program for, essentially, destruction, as they have to be fire, earthquake , etc. proof, tested for same. Just when you're ready in the program to get the first few built, you have to send them off to be incinerated. Anyhow, these servers sound like a natural for Intel with their years of building servers for OEMs that can't or don't want to build their own. This statement by a Sun rep almost sounds comical, what with the loss of reputation their service group and reliability suffered in the "no ECC on Starfire" fiasco.

"Every component of my Netra CT servers is field replaceable or repairable," said Bret Martin, a group manager inside Sun's Network Equipment Provider Division. "This gives (telecom companies) the ability to increase the horsepower as we move forward (with technology) without changing out the machine again. It's the serviceability, the reparability and the maintainability that separate us."

Intel takes on Sun with telecom servers
By John G. Spooner
Special to CNET News.com
May 17, 2001, 4:35 p.m. PT
update Intel, looking for new sources of revenue, will challenge Sun Microsystems by launching a line of telecommunications servers later this year.

On Thursday Intel announced plans to build telecommunications servers and sell them via PC makers or telecommunications-equipment companies. Intel said the move will challenge Sun, which enjoys a healthy telecommunications-server business.

The move is reminiscent of Intel's earlier moves into the high-end workstation market, where Sun is also a major player.

The telecommunications thrust is classic Intel: Attack an established competitor in a new market with large numbers of inexpensive computers offering "twice the performance for half the price," said Abhi Talawalker, vice president and general manager of Intel's Enterprise Platforms and Services Division.

"One of the areas where we have not been very active has been in the telecommunications and communications space," Talawalker said. The new server products "are responding to a decent amount of interest (Intel has seen) over the past few years" from customers in that market.

Intel will not sell the servers directly to telecommunications customers. Following a model the company established with its network-appliance systems, Intel will sell the servers to PC makers and to telecommunications-equipment companies, which will then add operating systems and applications and resell them to customers.

In 1997, Intel launched an effort to break into the workstation market. The company signed up PC makers to build workstations that would challenge the machines sold by Sun and Silicon Graphics, which at the time offered a high-end workstation based on its own processor.

Known as NT workstations after Windows NT, the machines were initially more like high-end PCs and could not match the performance of a Unix workstation. However, the NT workstation took off in market share thanks to its lower price, sometimes less than one-third of that of a Unix workstation.

PCs out, servers in
Success in the telecommunications market would also mean a healthy boost to Intel's bottom line. While PC margins continue to shrink, servers are still commanding relatively high prices.

Analysts said on Thursday that Intel could make inroads with its new servers in areas where companies are looking to expand--such as wireless--but only if the company can meet the stringent requirements of telecommunications customers.

Cost is not the only thing telecommunications companies evaluate when they choose new servers. Intel will also need to demonstrate that it can offer reliability, analysts said. Telecom companies may also consider the ease of upgrading servers as well as their overall cost to maintain before buying. Many companies keep equipment for as long as five to 10 years.

Executives from Sun agreed that building telecommunications servers consists of more than assembling hardware or hitting a low price. Sun introduced its first NEBS certified telecommunications server, the Netra, in 1999.

Executives at the company believe that over the average life of a telecommunications server, which ranges from five to as many as 20 years, the initial price is less important than built-in abilities such as being able to perform a repair or upgrade--adding a faster processor, for example--in the field.

"Every component of my Netra CT servers is field replaceable or repairable," said Bret Martin, a group manager inside Sun's Network Equipment Provider Division. "This gives (telecom companies) the ability to increase the horsepower as we move forward (with technology) without changing out the machine again. It's the serviceability, the reparability and the maintainability that separate us."

Hewlett-Packard on Thursday announced it would use the new Intel servers in machines aimed at voice and data networks. The companies, in addition, opened a joint "telecommunications solutions center" in Grenoble, France, where much of HP's PC division is based. The center, among other functions, will offer a place for potential Intel server customers to test the new equipment. It will also allow software developers to test their work.

Intel plans to begin shipping single- and dual-processor Pentium III-based servers in 1U (1.75 inches high) and 2U chassis in the fourth quarter. The servers will meet telecommunications specifications, such as NEB Class III, which requires that servers be able to withstand conditions such as fire or earthquake.

The first servers will be based on Intel's forthcoming 1.13GHz "Tualatin" Pentium III chip. Tualatin is Intel's code name for Pentium III chips manufactured using the company's new 0.13-micron process.

Intel plans to follow up on these first telecommunications servers with later servers offering its new Xeon and Itanium processors.

news.cnet.com



To: Road Walker who wrote (136134)5/26/2001 5:11:25 PM
From: Amy J  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894
 
Hi John, Tony, Paul, and Thread, regarding the tax cut that passed the Senate today:

Do you know when the income tax rate change mentioned below would take place? Also, the 401k change? This year, next year, later on? I haven't seen any reports indicating the timeline.

(It would be nice if a journalist would put together a timeline showing when each item is phased in).

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From CNN:
The compromise tax cut worked out by House and Senate:
cnn.com
• cuts the top income tax rate from 39.6 to 35 percent
• doubles the $500 child tax credit
• eliminates the federal tax on large estates
• provides marriage penalty tax relief
• gives $300 rebates for single taxpayers and $600 for joint filers
• raises contribution limits for IRAs from $2,000 to $5,000
• raises contribution limits for 401(k) plans from $10,500 to $15,000.
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Regards,
Amy J



To: Road Walker who wrote (136134)5/27/2001 7:45:23 AM
From: Dave  Respond to of 186894
 
John,

I would be really disappointed in Intel management if they were allowing Internet Services to drain that much cash from the bottom line.

Most likely, a good majority of the loss Intel posted in Data Centers is due to non-cash charges, like depreciation.

Here in VA, there was an article in the Washington Post how companies a couple of years ago were scrambling to build data centers. Now that they have been built, there is no-one to occupy them with. Additionally, since data centers are windowless, they don't have many other uses.

dave