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To: craig crawford who wrote (7235)	5/27/2001 3:51:03 PM
From: Jill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 57684

LOL. Craig, no, I am not spouting opinion. The evidence that infectious agents are at least a serious co-factor if not cause in chronic illnesses ranging from cancer (for instance, cervical cancer/papilloma virus connection has been proven; as well as link between certain cancers and epstein barr virus among others) to heart disease (chlamydia bacteria--very strong correlation) to ulcers (h. pylori) is real, not an opinion. Second--even if docs overprescribe abx (for instance, for viral infections like bronchitis or colds), that doesn't mean they SHOULDN'T prescribe them when they'd be curative for ulcers in a matter of weeks. I've never had a stomach ulcer but they sound pretty awful and painful. Third--yes you're right we eat mostly junk food. Still, there's been a lot of education about whole foods and grains. I don't know what you've got against fruit--a balanced diet can include all kinds of foods, from fruit to veggies to, in my opinion, organic eggs and meat and fish. And so on. At least, mine does. Anyway, the preponderance of health food supermarkets and the availability of basic good nutritional advice indicates to me that things are not nearly as bad as you say. If someone wants to believe white pasta or white bread is healthy, then they are a doofus who didn't even bother to read the label and discover there is virtually no fiber and a few vitamins added back in. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Before antibiotics, which I HATE myself and tolerate poorly, lots of people died of stuff they never die of anymore--teeth infections, for example, could kill ya one two three.

To: craig crawford who wrote (7235)	5/27/2001 4:10:35 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 57684

' broccoli, spinach, asparagus, brussel sprouts, celery, kale, cabbage, cauliflower, mustard greens,' This group grows big kidney stones in many people who cannot sufficiently process the calcium. No magic bullet :o( We are all indeed different. On that Vegan thing, my sister was (is ?) one and now lives in California LOL ,( a Canadian expatriate). I've seen her diet. It can be healthy, but man the amount of effort required for a balanced diet is far too time consuming for my taste . It really effects one's lifestyle (from what I've observed). My dad's also a vegetarian, but far less strict. On that pasta issue, I seem to recall that the incidence of heart disease is much lower in Italy than in northern countries like Sweden, Norway etc., apparently even amoung overweight Italians. They do have olive oil and red wine and a large fruit intake (don't know if it's berries). The French have a lower incidence also as I recall. Garçon ! Encore du vin rouge s'il vous plait. :0) As you say we all can check the evidence and must make our own decisions. regards Kastel PS what's wrong with Bagels ? :0)